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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 24 Feb 23 7.23am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm afraid Steely that if you look into the past and Police numbers as a percentage of population we had far far lower crime and less Police.

The cultural change from a socially conservative culture to a liberal one and lower trust in society created by immigration has resulted in a situation where Police numbers are ridiculously high compared to the past because crime has risen to a similarly ridiculously high level.

You point at Police numbers! I put it to you that the society your approved politics creates has required an ever higher need for them. Just look at Police numbers in areas where diversity is high and compare the crime rate with areas where diversity is very low....Cornwall might be a useful comparison.

I put it to you Steely that you point at the symptoms but not the disease.

As for crime and Khan, he argued to end stop and search and created a culture within the Met that is scared to enforce crackdowns because of the 'racism' chorus from his administration. It's no different to why Islamic gangs were allowed to rape mainly white and some Sikh girls for decades with only the lightest of Police or social services interest.

If you are genuinely interested in lower crime perhaps you should recognise the real problems behind its increase.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2023 2.36am)

Spot on, excellent analysis.

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 24 Feb 23 8.32am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


I'm afraid Steely that if you look into the past and Police numbers as a percentage of population we had far far lower crime and less Police.

The cultural change from a socially conservative culture to a liberal one and lower trust in society created by immigration has resulted in a situation where Police numbers are ridiculously high compared to the past because crime has risen to a similarly ridiculously high level.

You point at Police numbers! I put it to you that the society your approved politics creates has required an ever higher need for them. Just look at Police numbers in areas where diversity is high and compare the crime rate with areas where diversity is very low....Cornwall might be a useful comparison.

I put it to you Steely that you point at the symptoms but not the disease.

As for crime and Khan, he argued to end stop and search and created a culture within the Met that is scared to enforce crackdowns because of the 'racism' chorus from his administration. It's no different to why Islamic gangs were allowed to rape mainly white and some Sikh girls for decades with only the lightest of Police or social services interest.

If you are genuinely interested in lower crime perhaps you should recognise the real problems behind its increase.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2023 2.36am)


I would change that comment to 'far lower reported crime',
because when I was younger, and a lot of areas in and around London still had that 'village' feel, it was deemed acceptable for the local populace to deal with petty crimes themselves - as in the man beating his wife black & blue would one night find himself up an alleyway getting a taste of his own medicine with the promise of more if another black eye was seen on his wife, petty thieves of minor ages would get a good clip round the ear and his/her parents would probably give them another for the shame they brought on the family.

It was a society that policed itself on minor issues to a great extent, so there was far less need for formal policing.

Simple, effective and kept the law out of it.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Feb 23 9.01am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by becky


I would change that comment to 'far lower reported crime',
because when I was younger, and a lot of areas in and around London still had that 'village' feel, it was deemed acceptable for the local populace to deal with petty crimes themselves - as in the man beating his wife black & blue would one night find himself up an alleyway getting a taste of his own medicine with the promise of more if another black eye was seen on his wife, petty thieves of minor ages would get a good clip round the ear and his/her parents would probably give them another for the shame they brought on the family.

It was a society that policed itself on minor issues to a great extent, so there was far less need for formal policing.

Simple, effective and kept the law out of it.

Exactly.

I grew up on a poor council estate but it was working class proud. There was never any trouble as the adults would tell us kids off and wouldn't be shy in telling our parents who would blame us and not the adult.

That sort of local policing by the community has long gone.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Feb 23 10.07am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Exactly.

I grew up on a poor council estate but it was working class proud. There was never any trouble as the adults would tell us kids off and wouldn't be shy in telling our parents who would blame us and not the adult.

That sort of local policing by the community has long gone.

It pains me to say because I didn't like it when I was young but I think it's about respect. When I was a kid people had more respect for others' property and other people generally, not just figures of authority like teachers or policemen. Why? Partly fear of the consequences but more generally because that's just the way it was.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 24 Feb 23 11.15am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by becky


I would change that comment to 'far lower reported crime',
because when I was younger, and a lot of areas in and around London still had that 'village' feel, it was deemed acceptable for the local populace to deal with petty crimes themselves - as in the man beating his wife black & blue would one night find himself up an alleyway getting a taste of his own medicine with the promise of more if another black eye was seen on his wife, petty thieves of minor ages would get a good clip round the ear and his/her parents would probably give them another for the shame they brought on the family.

It was a society that policed itself on minor issues to a great extent, so there was far less need for formal policing.

Simple, effective and kept the law out of it.


Can only echo this


 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 24 Feb 23 11.53am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by becky


I would change that comment to 'far lower reported crime',
because when I was younger, and a lot of areas in and around London still had that 'village' feel, it was deemed acceptable for the local populace to deal with petty crimes themselves - as in the man beating his wife black & blue would one night find himself up an alleyway getting a taste of his own medicine with the promise of more if another black eye was seen on his wife, petty thieves of minor ages would get a good clip round the ear and his/her parents would probably give them another for the shame they brought on the family.

It was a society that policed itself on minor issues to a great extent, so there was far less need for formal policing.

Simple, effective and kept the law out of it.

Fair enough.

However, I'd also append the fact that many people today don't bother reporting crime because they don't consider it worth the hassle or think it'll won't be resolved or treated seriously enough.

 


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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 24 Feb 23 12.38pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The recent increase in knife crime in London has very little to do with Mr Khan, or his predecessor, because the mayor has no influence over police funding or deployment.

The fact that the current shower of s***s we call our government has cut 20,000 police personnel and their funding, is the real issue here. They have promised to recruit 20,000 more police officers, and they're acting like they're doing us a favour in correcting their crass cock up.

But some people just want a chance to have a pop at a prominent Muslim, to point out his faults and flaws, even if they're not his, and theyíre happy to do so without fact checking, or dishonest enough to check the facts and repeat the lies anyway.

Sadiq Khan is not responsible for the increase in crime, the Tories are.

'Tough on crime and its causes' - bring back Labour.

Given that Khan sacked the previous Commissioner I don't know how you can spout this nonsense!
He is in charge!
As for having a go at a Muslim - goodness me - that is a pretty vile thing to accuse people of.
I don't care what nationality/colour/religion he is - he is just useless at his job!

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Feb 23 12.51pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Tough on crime and its causes was successful perhaps that is why in a generation becoming used to failure, we are not rushing to restore it.

Vital links to young people and the community and intelligence gathering were lost to austerity, there is far more to it than front line policing.


 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Feb 23 1.08pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The recent increase in knife crime in London has very little to do with Mr Khan, or his predecessor, because the mayor has no influence over police funding or deployment.

The fact that the current shower of s***s we call our government has cut 20,000 police personnel and their funding, is the real issue here. They have promised to recruit 20,000 more police officers, and they're acting like they're doing us a favour in correcting their crass cock up.

But some people just want a chance to have a pop at a prominent Muslim, to point out his faults and flaws, even if they're not his, and theyíre happy to do so without fact checking, or dishonest enough to check the facts and repeat the lies anyway.

Sadiq Khan is not responsible for the increase in crime, the Tories are.

'Tough on crime and its causes' - bring back Labour.

Interesting take. Are criticisms of Sunak because he's Hindu? Or does he lose out in right-on Top Trumps?

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 25 Feb 23 1.17pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

It's only a matter of time before you get called 'far right' for being against peadophilia. It's the next step after the tranny stuff.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 25 Feb 23 2.28pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

More than slightly concerning if true.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 25 Feb 23 6.07pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The irony of being called fascists by those who want to censor and punish your speech and stop it anyway they can.

 


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