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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 17 Feb 21 2.57pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


I, too am a pre- Mullery-Venables spat supporter and have never really bought into the so-called 'El Gatwicko' derby idea. For me our rivals have always been London clubs and especially those South of the River.


Me to, Millwall, was the big rival, Charlton, though close were mostly in a higher league. The Brighton thing , was contrived somehow.. It never got a mention and I had family in both camps.

 

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View AERO's Profile AERO Flag 17 Feb 21 2.58pm Send a Private Message to AERO Add AERO as a friend

Always Brighton for me .

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 17 Feb 21 2.59pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I'd imagine Parish will do with the letter what most people in power, authority, or a position of responsibility do. Ignore it, or pretend to not ignore it whilst ignoring it.

Some of this will be down to a touch of arrogance and defensiveness, traits all human beings have. Partly it will be due to the practical consideration that democracy and mass involvement in decision making doesn't result in effective organisations.

In the main though it will be down to the long-established, plainly evident fact of the matter: That however articulate or passionate the complaint, the vast majority of people complaining from the outside of an organisation know next to f*** all about how to run it in the real world.

The same people investing their money, thoughts,love,and just about life into said club.
Should they need to know how its run to feel sad and have an opinion.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 17 Feb 21 3.02pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by AERO

Always Brighton for me .

Always
Ask palace fans living in brighton what their fans think and it's the same or worse.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 17 Feb 21 3.06pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Always
Ask palace fans living in brighton what their fans think and it's the same or worse.

Something to do with a shrinking world maybe.?

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Online Flag 17 Feb 21 3.11pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

The same people investing their money, thoughts,love,and just about life into said club.
Should they need to know how its run to feel sad and have an opinion.

Not at all, I certainly do.

But I don't expect Parish, Freedman or Hodgson to pay any real attention to my views, and quite rightly so. It's not that they are more competent than me (though they might be), or that they have achieved enough to be above question (though they have achieved a huge amount). It's simply that they know the club, the business, the finances, the people, all to an extent I cannot possibly do.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Online Flag 17 Feb 21 3.45pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You’ve made some good posts on

1) Small clubs playing anti-football less likely to be relegated and small clubs playing pretty football more likely to be relegated and the issues with making the change and making that change in the top flight.

2) Interviewing Eddie Howe.

3) Your point above, only the immediate issue at the present time is something the whole football community can see, before how the owners run the club. We’ve gone from keeping it tight and 0-0 to try and nip a goal and hold out, to shipping goals in right after the opposition have had 12 touches of the ball. The players and management team need to sort it out and quickly before we get to facing that run in of matches.

I agree completely, improvement in performances is needed, and effort seems a part of that. If we were in the ground on match days we could vent that, and the players would hear it, so I get the need to tell them in some other way.

My concern is that the letter goes on to cover the wider running of the club, transfer policy, investment, tactics and stuff like that. I would expect the club to roll their eyes and ignore that stuff.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 17 Feb 21 4.19pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I agree completely, improvement in performances is needed, and effort seems a part of that. If we were in the ground on match days we could vent that, and the players would hear it, so I get the need to tell them in some other way.

My concern is that the letter goes on to cover the wider running of the club, transfer policy, investment, tactics and stuff like that. I would expect the club to roll their eyes and ignore that stuff.

I think the issues with the Manager and the players performances are the effect, and the way the club has been run, the cause.

Yes, they can choose to ignore part if not all of the letter, but it needed to be said.

 


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View billtheglazier's Profile billtheglazier Flag twickenham 17 Feb 21 4.33pm Send a Private Message to billtheglazier Add billtheglazier as a friend

I have been watching Palace since the fourth division days and Millwall were always without doubt the rivals, proper rivals and the crowds used to show up to confirm it.I remember 36000 at Selhurst before all seater days.
However more to the point,the football for a long while has been tedious lacking determination, inspiration, motivation and perspiration since Bolasie/Murray/Cabaye days.
Just before the pandemic, was returning from Zurich on a flight and was sat near to Arsene Wenger (post Arsenal) and I asked him (Jokingly) if he was interested in coming south of the Thames to Selhurst, His reply was are you not happy with the football there and I said it was invariably not easy to watch at selhurst.He said that an enormous amount of money is at stake being in the EPL and that is a priority.
I mentioned that we tried under FDB but failed miserably to which Wenger said that he thought he wasnt given much of a chance!!! Wenger also said he misses football management.( Id be happy to have him at Selhurst as manager)
However I think that's the point, staying in the premier league which Roy has achieved and that's what he has been employed to do.

Having spent most of my life supporting Palace in the lower leagues I have no fear of relegation if it means we can build on young players and passing football.
We pay professional footballers enormous amounts of money who fail to pass the ball intelligently and or accurately. In my opinion that has to be the starting point. 'Right on Ultras'

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Online Flag 17 Feb 21 4.47pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

The bit in the letter/statement about losing games without a fight, and a lack of leadership and pride on the pitch is fair on recent performances (and recent performances alone by the way), and I’m sure many of us would make a similar point, loudly, if in the ground this season.

Otherwise, the statement certainly doesn’t speak for me, even though I think I’ve earned the title of a ‘committed supporter’ by now.

I don’t want the ultras, or even the wider fan base having a say on formations or team selections thanks. We’ve all got our opinions, but that's all they are.

Give youth a chance they cry! Not a single one of us has the experience, knowledge and access to say that a single one of our youth team would improve our first team. Not one. It’s a classic statement of its type: A big sweeping, crowd pleasing demand made from a position of absolutely no knowledge, or responsibility for the outcome.

The idea of there being a ‘Palace way’ is odd. What's that then? Is it as meaningless and vague as the West Ham way, or the Spurs Way? Always thought that stuff sounded like total bollocks personally.

Which youth was 'put front and centre' of the promotion side the statement cites as a true example of The Palace Way exactly? Zaha, and, um, oh that's right, nobody else at all. Salako and Shaw were the only youth players in the 1990 side. Dowie got us promoted without a single youth team graduate, and of that team only Black and Grey were even young. Still, it sounds good when you say it, so that'll do.

The complaint of having no ambition or vision is just utter s***e. As several people have posted on here, the club has outlined, and made progress on a clearly defined, realistic long term strategy. One might not like the strategy, but to say it doesn’t exist is the kind of ridiculous ignorance that gets public opinion ignored. Personally I hope Parish sticks with his eminently sensible strategy come what may. He has achieved as much if not more than any chairman in palace history. Still, better to have a pop though eh?

‘We must...use this opportunity with so many expiring contracts to make substantial changes across the club’. Good idea. Lets release all 12 of them, and have whip round for the £70m or so it would cost to replace even half of them. Oh hang on, what's that calling us? Oh, it's the real world, asking us to come back...


This is why functioning societies keep power and the people at arms length from each other.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (17 Feb 2021 4.49pm)

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Feb 21 4.55pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by billtheglazier

I have been watching Palace since the fourth division days and Millwall were always without doubt the rivals, proper rivals and the crowds used to show up to confirm it.I remember 36000 at Selhurst before all seater days.
However more to the point,the football for a long while has been tedious lacking determination, inspiration, motivation and perspiration since Bolasie/Murray/Cabaye days.
Just before the pandemic, was returning from Zurich on a flight and was sat near to Arsene Wenger (post Arsenal) and I asked him (Jokingly) if he was interested in coming south of the Thames to Selhurst, His reply was are you not happy with the football there and I said it was invariably not easy to watch at selhurst.He said that an enormous amount of money is at stake being in the EPL and that is a priority.
I mentioned that we tried under FDB but failed miserably to which Wenger said that he thought he wasnt given much of a chance!!! Wenger also said he misses football management.( Id be happy to have him at Selhurst as manager)
However I think that's the point, staying in the premier league which Roy has achieved and that's what he has been employed to do.

Having spent most of my life supporting Palace in the lower leagues I have no fear of relegation if it means we can build on young players and passing football.
We pay professional footballers enormous amounts of money who fail to pass the ball intelligently and or accurately. In my opinion that has to be the starting point. 'Right on Ultras'

Absolutely.
The football might not be easy on the eye but the end has justified the means.

 

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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

The bit in the letter/statement about losing games without a fight, and a lack of leadership and pride on the pitch is fair on recent performances (and recent performances alone by the way), and I’m sure many of us would make a similar point, loudly, if in the ground this season.

Otherwise, the statement certainly doesn’t speak for me, even though I think I’ve earned the title of a ‘committed supporter’ by now.

I don’t want the ultras, or even the wider fan base having a say on formations or team selections thanks. We’ve all got our opinions, but that's all they are.

Give youth a chance they cry! Not a single one of us has the experience, knowledge and access to say that a single one of our youth team would improve our first team. Not one. It’s a classic statement of its type: A big sweeping, crowd pleasing demand made from a position of absolutely no knowledge, or responsibility for the outcome.

The idea of there being a ‘Palace way’ is odd. What's that then? Is it as meaningless and vague as the West Ham way, or the Spurs Way? Always thought that stuff sounded like total bollocks personally.

Which youth was 'put front and centre' of the promotion side the statement cites as a true example of The Palace Way exactly? Zaha, and, um, oh that's right, nobody else at all. Salako and Shaw were the only youth players in the 1990 side. Dowie got us promoted without a single youth team graduate, and of that team only Black and Grey were even young. Still, it sounds good when you say it, so that'll do.

The complaint of having no ambition or vision is just utter s***e. As several people have posted on here, the club has outlined, and made progress on a clearly defined, realistic long term strategy. One might not like the strategy, but to say it doesn’t exist is the kind of ridiculous ignorance that gets public opinion ignored. Personally I hope Parish sticks with his eminently sensible strategy come what may. He has achieved as much if not more than any chairman in palace history. Still, better to have a pop though eh?

‘We must...use this opportunity with so many expiring contracts to make substantial changes across the club’. Good idea. Lets release all 12 of them, and have whip round for the £70m or so it would cost to replace even half of them. Oh hang on, what's that calling us? Oh, it's the real world, asking us to come back...


This is why functioning societies keep power and the people at arms length from each other.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (17 Feb 2021 4.49pm)

Reasonable points. There's obviously a great sense of frustration at our uninspiring, half-hearted performances. Imagine if grounds were open and this protest found its way into the stadium? Banners unfurled, chants of Hodgson Out! Parish Out!? Who knows where it might lead. The management and players ought to take heed. It's easy for them to hide behind an empty stadium, yet it would be counter productive in the long run for any such protest to grow wings. I doubt it would make much a difference to those players whose contracts are up anyway, they already seem to have an eye on the exit door if their lack of effort is anything to go by.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (17 Feb 2021 5.24pm)

 

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