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View crystal-purley's Profile crystal-purley Flag Purley 19 Feb 21 9.45am Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

Well done Wilf.
This started in the USA and has now gone full circle and although a good idea should be put gently to bed.

 


The thing about capitalists is that they eventually run out of cheaper labour and stuff to sell.

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View Crystal_Clear's Profile Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 19 Feb 21 10.06am Send a Private Message to Crystal_Clear Add Crystal_Clear as a friend

To be honest, I'm scared if he takes the knee when he comes back his hamstring will pop again.

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 19 Feb 21 10.28am Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

it's become a bit token - I have the utmost respect for army veterans but I don't wear the poppy - these things get over-simplified to pro and anti and bullsh*t runs riot. I'd like to see a genuinely intelligent debate on the subject, but it won't happen. I've heard 'bleeding heart liberals' describe their own personal battles against 'their own racism' - they mean they have to rise above the instant judgements we tend to make, but there is an element of truth to stereotypes and that's where it gets awkward trying to break it down into what is 'racist' and what is joining the dots about someone prematurely. I had a run in with a big fat greedy lawyer a few years back, he conformed to the 'Shylock' stereotype, I hated him purely on grounds of his vile character, but honestly and privately I understood then that these stereotypes have a history and go deep, exclusivity develops over generations and gets reinforced, but it's impossible to tackle these issues without being accused of being racist or 'hard left' - it turns into a shouting match - anyway good on Wilf for being an individual.

 

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View SpyroCrystal's Profile SpyroCrystal 19 Feb 21 10.48am Send a Private Message to SpyroCrystal Add SpyroCrystal as a friend

Wilf is right. As a black person I can also see it is propaganda and marxist - leninist propaganda. I can be proud to be black without kneeling thank you very much.

 


Big up the Palace!!!!

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 19 Feb 21 11.01am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by SpyroCrystal

Wilf is right. As a black person I can also see it is propaganda and marxist - leninist propaganda. I can be proud to be black without kneeling thank you very much.

Well said.

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 19 Feb 21 11.08am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by SpyroCrystal

Wilf is right. As a black person I can also see it is propaganda and marxist - leninist propaganda. I can be proud to be black without kneeling thank you very much.

Congratulations! Quite right.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag People's Republic of Gozo 19 Feb 21 11.36am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by SpyroCrystal

Wilf is right. As a black person I can also see it is propaganda and marxist - leninist propaganda. I can be proud to be black without kneeling thank you very much.

I keep seeing people saying statements like that but I'm not sure what they mean? Do you mean by taking the knee it is an attempt to derail the imbalance of power and return the means of production to the proletariat? I can see the argument for saying it is in fact those in power trying to give the illusion of giving a rat's arse about equality when all they really want is to sustain their eye-watering profits...but obviously that isn't Marxism, that would be capitalism adapting (as it generally does so well) to the zeitgeist.

Interestingly, Zaha speaks about Rashford and efforts at real social change which do in fact align more with Marxist sympathies, that being a redistribution of wealth. Maybe in fact Zaha, Brentford and QPR are the real Marxist threat

 

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View slubglurge's Profile slubglurge Flag welling 19 Feb 21 12.16pm Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

Originally posted by SpyroCrystal

Wilf is right. As a black person I can also see it is propaganda and marxist - leninist propaganda. I can be proud to be black without kneeling thank you very much.

I think the point has now been made. If i were a black person i would find it a bit patronising. I would never take the knee for anybody unless i was being knighted lol and i would not expect or want anybody to take the knee for me as well. I hope this does not split the dressing room though,as we have many black players

 

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View Croydon-Trucker's Profile Croydon-Trucker Flag Cahir 19 Feb 21 12.17pm Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by SpyroCrystal

Wilf is right. As a black person I can also see it is propaganda and marxist - leninist propaganda. I can be proud to be black without kneeling thank you very much.

You are dead right , everyone should be proud of who they are regardless of colour or creed , your sex or gender and f*** the be grudgers.

 

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View johnmcormick8's Profile johnmcormick8 Flag Brundish 19 Feb 21 12.31pm Send a Private Message to johnmcormick8 Add johnmcormick8 as a friend

While I disagree with choice of not wearing a Poppy I support your right to choose whole-heartily. Your other points you make I agree with.

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

it's become a bit token - I have the utmost respect for army veterans but I don't wear the poppy - these things get over-simplified to pro and anti and bullsh*t runs riot. I'd like to see a genuinely intelligent debate on the subject, but it won't happen. I've heard 'bleeding heart liberals' describe their own personal battles against 'their own racism' - they mean they have to rise above the instant judgements we tend to make, but there is an element of truth to stereotypes and that's where it gets awkward trying to break it down into what is 'racist' and what is joining the dots about someone prematurely. I had a run in with a big fat greedy lawyer a few years back, he conformed to the 'Shylock' stereotype, I hated him purely on grounds of his vile character, but honestly and privately I understood then that these stereotypes have a history and go deep, exclusivity develops over generations and gets reinforced, but it's impossible to tackle these issues without being accused of being racist or 'hard left' - it turns into a shouting match - anyway good on Wilf for being an individual.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Feb 21 12.42pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by slubglurge

I think the point has now been made. If i were a black person i would find it a bit patronising. I would never take the knee for anybody unless i was being knighted lol and i would not expect or want anybody to take the knee for me as well. I hope this does not split the dressing room though,as we have many black players

I had just considered the other players. For instance, I believe Townsend is big into BLM. Does that mean an argument in the squad? Probably does these days.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag People's Republic of Gozo 19 Feb 21 12.54pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I had just considered the other players. For instance, I believe Townsend is big into BLM. Does that mean an argument in the squad? Probably does these days.

It's a good question. You would hope that Wilf would have discussed this with his teammates prior to speaking to the press, but I am not overly confident he will have done. It is a hard one as although I imagine most of us support Wilf in his decision, at the same time does that mean we should dismiss those black players who still think it is important for taking the knee to continue? Are their voices not valid too? Brentford seem to have done the right thing in making the decision as a club. The worry in this case is that it could alienate Wilf if other players are not on board, or feel he has put them in a difficult position.

 

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