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Originally posted by BlueJay

It makes sense that most violence would be between men. If anything these stats make it even more shocking that a decent proportion of those with murderous intent are more than willing to slay a woman unable to defend herself.

That said, I do appreciate that the coverage seeks to paint a fairly hysterical 'rapist around every corner' outlook that targets and tars most men. I can certainly see why women think the law doesn't work well for them in this area, but at the same time it's not sensible to demonise men in such sweeping fashion.

As for the protests, while I certainly tow the covid line in thinking that it shouldn't have taken place to begin with at this moment in time, I can't help but think that it would have been more tactful and less hassle on this occasion to just have a hands off approach for this one vigil. The approach used just seems to make it inevitable that it'd multiply said protests.

It's one of those incidents that I worry about people getting too gungho about police clamp downs, at the same time that civil liberty annihilating bills are on the verge of being passed. It's another example of government playing people off against one another to the detriment of all. I would hope that no sensible person is unworried by the idea of imprisoned for years due to causing "serious annoyance" [Link]

Also under these new rules if you're on your way to a protest you can be deemed to be part of a 'one man protest' with ten months in jail for your troubles. All very V for Vendetta.

As you know I've never been on board with the removal of civil liberties during this pandemic. Outside of care homes and hospitals I've always been on the guidelines side of the fence with perhaps requirements for businesses to have anti bacterials and distancing requirements where possible.

So while I'm obviously very much a social conservative, for me that doesn't translate into authoritarianism. The very idea that healthy people can be effectively locked up in their homes and kept from their jobs by the state goes against my very core.

So whether I agree or not with the actual protest (which I think is hijacked by activists encouraged by activist media) it's besides the point....if you can't protest you're living in a police state.

I don't think there has been any balance during this entire episode. Fear has overtaken risk management.

It kind of falls into line with my biases on how the English normie overly trusts the elites to make decisions that are in their long term best interests.....and as long as the elite's media arm agree with the politicians they just nod along.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Mar 2021 10.50am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As you know I've never been on board with the removal of civil liberties during this pandemic. Outside of care homes and hospitals I've always been on the guidelines side of the fence with perhaps requirements for businesses to have anti bacterials and distancing requirements where possible.

So while I'm obviously very much a social conservative, for me that doesn't translate into authoritarianism. The very idea that healthy people can be effectively locked up in their homes and kept from their jobs by the state goes against my very core.

So whether I agree or not with the actual protest (which I think is hijacked by activists encouraged by activist media) it's besides the point....if you can't protest you're living in a police state.

I don't think there has been any balance during this entire episode. Fear has overtaken risk management.

It kind of falls into line with my biases on how the English normie overly trusts the elites to make decisions that are in their long term best interests.....and as long as the elite's media arm agree with the politicians they just nod along.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Mar 2021 10.50am)

My only point against this is, when you are in a world where protests and demonstrations are constantly hijacked by activists to the extent that no protest is entirely peaceful any longer, how do you deal with it?

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

My only point against this is, when you are in a world where protests and demonstrations are constantly hijacked by activists to the extent that no protest is entirely peaceful any longer, how do you deal with it?

I think it's one of those situations where we have a liberty principle which identifies the society...well we use to. But we know, especially in this era, that it will be abused by those with agendas and we allow a level and no more.

It's part of the push/pull reality of society.

That's my take anyway....However, I agree, this has been activism hijacking a tragic event.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Mar 2021 11.06am)

 


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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
My only point against this is, when you are in a world where protests and demonstrations are constantly hijacked by activists to the extent that no protest is entirely peaceful any longer, how do you deal with it?

The activists are the worst.

Shouting, "No Rest, No Peace, f*** the Police" at a vigil was disgusting behaviour. I think murder at the hands of a policeman is a good enough reason to break Covid regulations in the town where it happens and the police should face some backlash, but those people are horrible.

Imagine how the family feel. It must be hard enough having the police break the news to you that your daughter has been murdered by a policeman, and harder still to have to rely on them to enforce the law.... but wall to wall press coverage and artists using cheap, half baked slogans to promote a spiteful political agenda has got to make it 10 times worse.

All they want is to promote an idea of repression to promote a far-left anti-establishment ideology. The far-right do exactly the same. All scumbags.

Last year, they were using George Floyd. A guy who had held a pregnant women at gunpoint. Anyone who flagged this up was shouted down as a racist.

Trump, enforced federal executions against 4 people who killed women and children in January. They called him a racist.

Anyone who mentioned that they shouldn't have got involved in crime was told they were a facist that didn't have any respect for human life.

14 stabbing and two murders in South London in one weekend at the start of February. 8 people murdered in the last week. Most victims seem to be black youngsters, often children under the age of 18.

Now their deaths aren't as important because "they were probably involved in gangs".

Saying, "All Lives Matter", was offensive. Now saying its "not all men" is also offensive.

They are shutting down any conversation about what can effectively be done to reduce all crime, because it doesn't fit in with their agenda. All they care about is the ideology.


*there is still an issue with the way a lot of men behave. That needs to be addressed through proper social shaming and punishment.

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles

The activists are the worst.

Shouting, "No Rest, No Peace, f*** the Police" at a vigil was disgusting behaviour. I think murder at the hands of a policeman is a good enough reason to break Covid regulations in the town where it happens and the police should face some backlash, but those people are horrible.

Imagine how the family feel. It must be hard enough having the police break the news to you that your daughter has been murdered by a policeman, and harder still to have to rely on them to enforce the law.... but wall to wall press coverage and artists using cheap, half baked slogans to promote a spiteful political agenda has got to make it 10 times worse.

All they want is to promote an idea of repression to promote a far-left anti-establishment ideology. The far-right do exactly the same. All scumbags.

Last year, they were using George Floyd. A guy who had held a pregnant women at gunpoint. Anyone who flagged this up was shouted down as a racist.

Trump, enforced federal executions against 4 people who killed women and children in January. They called him a racist.

Anyone who mentioned that they shouldn't have got involved in crime was told they were a facist that didn't have any respect for human life.

14 stabbing and two murders in South London in one weekend at the start of February. 8 people murdered in the last week. Most victims seem to be black youngsters, often children under the age of 18.

Now their deaths aren't as important because "they were probably involved in gangs".

Saying, "All Lives Matter", was offensive. Now saying its "not all men" is also offensive.

They are shutting down any conversation about what can effectively be done to reduce all crime, because it doesn't fit in with their agenda. All they care about is the ideology.


*there is still an issue with the way a lot of men behave. That needs to be addressed through proper social shaming and punishment.

A lot of women behave badly as well. This will be seen once the pubs open im sure. Let's wait for a backlash from men against them, and by then we will be free to protest. #menhavefeelings.
Reminds me of the two Ronnie's sketches.

 

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The so called 'far right' aren't creating 'an idea of repression'.

They are directly repressed and are treated very differently to other anti establishment parties...BLM and extinction rebellion off the top of my head.

For example, PA (Patriotic Alternative) have been refused permission to create a political party three times now. All the reasons given are nonsense. Whereas the organisation fronting for BLM were allowed straight away so that they could receive funding.

I have issues with PA but to suggest that they aren't being repressed by the state isn't reality.....they are also being persecuted by corporations like banks who seek and have shut down their bank accounts and activists who try to get knowledge of members to get them fired.
Robinson is another case in point, though being politically different from PA he is also persecuted because he's anti establishment.

Does this happen to the Communist party for example? An organisation that has had a well funded headquarters in London for many decades and top level support in the Labour party.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Mar 2021 1.46pm)

 


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We certainly were not afraid to have a go in the 60's and 70's.

So it was quite refreshing to hear 'all coppers are b******s' ring out.

I haven't heard it for years.

I am sure the establishment respect it more than they do the present pathetic generation.

Every day they give away more and got precisely nothing for it.

The UK is more 'stasi' than the DDR ever was, and women were equal too.


 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

We certainly were not afraid to have a go in the 60's and 70's.

So it was quite refreshing to hear 'all coppers are b******s' ring out.

I haven't heard it for years.

I am sure the establishment respect it more than they do the present pathetic generation.

Every day they give away more and got precisely nothing for it.

The UK is more 'stasi' than the DDR ever was, and women were equal too.


You do make the weirdest statements. “More stasi than the DDR ever was”. Would you like to back that up with some facts?

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

You do make the weirdest statements. “More stasi than the DDR ever was”. Would you like to back that up with some facts?

He doesn't have any. He's the type who stood and watched and laughed when the bully had someone, because it meant it wasn't him!

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

You do make the weirdest statements. “More stasi than the DDR ever was”. Would you like to back that up with some facts?

A bit OTT certainly, but in a week where a law may be passed that could outlaw any protest that is noisy or causes "serious annoyance" (subjective beyond belief) with protesters facing up to 10 years in prison, I would say that we are not moving in a healthy direction. Rights are rarely handed back. There shouldn't really be any quibbling over the above being a bad idea. If all it takes to distract people from that fact is a group of women going against the rules, that's unfortunate.

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

My only point against this is, when you are in a world where protests and demonstrations are constantly hijacked by activists to the extent that no protest is entirely peaceful any longer, how do you deal with it?

We could also pose the question what do peaceful protests actually achieve? Protests are surely meant to achieve 'something', but when you look at the huge Iraq War protests and the like do they actually achieve anything? Not that I'm saying that its opposite is good for society either or acceptable especially if there is non peaceful intent from the get-go, but that a protest isn't peaceful in its entirety isn't the sole measure of its relevance or legitimacy.

We can never be sure that a protest will be entirely peaceful, and even in a situation where one is, if its very much against what the government want to achieve at any given time we'd have to be naive to think that there wouldn't still be arrests anyway based on some vague or ill defined criteria (see previous message) or in trying to force a reaction. So this in itself would be used to paint the protest as not peaceful.

 

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Vigil eh?


Not according to Sarah's friend

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One more point

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