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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 28 May 21 7.29pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

How would you feel if they have to push the date back?

Personally I would go with the professionals hmg employs. If it has to go back then I would go with it. Imo there are some very clever people employed to do what's best in our interests. Both for health and economical reasons. I have fortunately not been affected financially and but was amongst it when it was at its height, possibly around infected people by working in residential properties. If I were affected financially I may think different granted but I wasn't. How would you feel danh.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 28 May 21 8.15pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

The thing is, how much difference is the 21st going to make? People can go to the pub, can go to work, can go anywhere. My little boy when to Thorpe Park yesterday and it was heaving.

Outside of the rules regarding masks, what else actually changes that much? Maybe sporting events might still have limited numbers but probably only until the end of the month.

What is pissing me off at the moment is the quarantine restrictions on return. Got tickets booked for July and am starting to worry I wont be able to get down to Croatia. Selfish, probably but I am indifferent to this 21st date.

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 28 May 21 9.35pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Personally I would go with the professionals hmg employs. If it has to go back then I would go with it. Imo there are some very clever people employed to do what's best in our interests. Both for health and economical reasons. I have fortunately not been affected financially and but was amongst it when it was at its height, possibly around infected people by working in residential properties. If I were affected financially I may think different granted but I wasn't. How would you feel danh.

What professionals exactly? Sounds like youíre desperate to absolve the government of any blame whatsoever.

Personally, Iíd be fuming, as should everyone. Mistakes are excusable, even more so in a fast changing, high pressure environment, but what is not forgivable is failing to learn from your mistakes. If June 21 gets pushed back itís purely because of the spread of the Indian variant. A stringent border/quarantine policy that should have been put in place at the very start of this pandemic, and *still* isnít would have kept us on track.

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 28 May 21 9.38pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

The thing is, how much difference is the 21st going to make? People can go to the pub, can go to work, can go anywhere. My little boy when to Thorpe Park yesterday and it was heaving.

Outside of the rules regarding masks, what else actually changes that much? Maybe sporting events might still have limited numbers but probably only until the end of the month.

What is pissing me off at the moment is the quarantine restrictions on return. Got tickets booked for July and am starting to worry I wont be able to get down to Croatia. Selfish, probably but I am indifferent to this 21st date.

The Euros is bad timing for them. A lot of people looking forward to watching games in pubs without any restrictions and in full capacity stadiums following June 21.

Edit: huge for the hospitality/indoor entertainment industries as well to have all restrictions lifted and to be able to operate at full capacity.

Edited by DanH (28 May 2021 9.45pm)

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 29 May 21 12.08am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Engine of Government mate.

Cummins / Cummings

Too subtle?

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 29 May 21 12.10am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is inevitable that the relaxation of lockdown will increase the number of cases.

There are still lots of people who have not had their first jab, and they represent a large proportion of those hospitalized in Bolton ad all the other areas with very large Asian populations.

Case count isnít the issue. Intensive care and hospital capacity are the issue.

100k case count and minimal hospital cases - no problem

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 May 21 12.17am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Case count isnít the issue. Intensive care and hospital capacity are the issue.

100k case count and minimal hospital cases - no problem

Correct.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 29 May 21 12.58am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Case count isnít the issue. Intensive care and hospital capacity are the issue.

100k case count and minimal hospital cases - no problem

Entirely right.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 29 May 21 5.09am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

What professionals exactly? Sounds like youíre desperate to absolve the government of any blame whatsoever.

Personally, Iíd be fuming, as should everyone. Mistakes are excusable, even more so in a fast changing, high pressure environment, but what is not forgivable is failing to learn from your mistakes. If June 21 gets pushed back itís purely because of the spread of the Indian variant. A stringent border/quarantine policy that should have been put in place at the very start of this pandemic, and *still* isnít would have kept us on track.

Not trying to absolve anyone although I think we would still be in lockdown under labour which is my opinion on how they are more knee jerky than boris.
If deaths don't rise then there is no reason not to open up as planned. If this pandemic had a usable precident I would be firing off at hmg but it doesn't. Every one has had to be reactionary around the world. So if we had quarantined all visitors at what cost I might ask; we would be in a better place, guaranteed. Primarily though if people had stuck to the rules and also taken a jab when offered instead of refusing we would be in a better place as well. You have though proved the point i made on another post about nothing to the right is agreeable to you as you seem to think hmg doesn't have one professional.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 May 21 10.03am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Which is what I said isn't it?
I didn't know about the utilisation to be fair but given I have a Parent with Dementia and a relative with mental health issues my opinion of the healthcare system is in the gutter!
Blair & Co cut more beds than anyone but they have all done it year after year wherever possible and it is a disgrace.
They all shout NHS from the rooftops whilst they slowly destroy it.
Top heavy admin doesn't help matters either.
Bloody shame!

Not really

The original reductions in bed numbers were reasonable and represented higher efficiency in asset usage. The continuing reductions were totally unwarranted, especially at a time of increasing demand.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 May 21 10.05am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Not trying to absolve anyone although I think we would still be in lockdown under labour which is my opinion on how they are more knee jerky than boris.

We wouldnít

We also would have had a firebreak instead of a third lockdown

Crises need firm and rapid responses

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 May 21 10.56am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not really

The original reductions in bed numbers were reasonable and represented higher efficiency in asset usage. The continuing reductions were totally unwarranted, especially at a time of increasing demand.

That is great spinning even by your standards.

 

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