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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 May 21 8.20am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I have seen accusations not evidence. The only evidence we know about so far is stuff such as number of deaths / hospitalisations / lack of PPE I think most of us will agree on those facts.

Cummings evidence was his interpretation of how we got into that mess e.g. Boris lied, Hancock lied, civil servants were useless. That evidence has yet to be confirmed so I await for that to be corroborated by others.

Thatís a given. One thing thatís come out of this is it sounds like Lib left dreamers including DanH are waking up to this via their new pin up Dom Cum.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 May 21 8.22am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Thatís a given. One thing thatís come out of this is it sounds like Lib left dreamers including DanH are waking up to this via their new pin up Dom Cum.

That's my opinion of Civil Servants however it is an opinion not a fact, I could be wrong.

 


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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 28 May 21 9.05am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

As I see it - politics aside - the PM and his Ministers are not responsible for 30 odd years of cut backs by successive Governments.
They have done a bit of course but from Blair through Cameron beds have been slashed as much as investment in infrastructure.
They all think short term to get re-elected and it is not in the best interests of the country.
The constant of course is the generally useless - but not always - Civil Service who are meant to run everything behind the scenes but regularly fail to do so.
PPE was hardly Hancock's fault.
The fact it wasn't there is the prick who didn't order its fault.
Whoever was in charge would have been hamstrung by previous mistakes and some very poor employees in my opinion.
Did Boris get stuff wrong - bloody right he did - but I defy anyone without the benefit of hindsight to have got it right.
It is really easy to throw brickbats after the event and DC looks a complete arse in my eyes.
Bile and vitriol being the order of the day.

Absolutely this.
This main thing Boris should be held accountable for is having this odious character as an advisor

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 May 21 9.15am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Are you badgers brothers? (Maybe brothers/sisters/non binary)

Is the crazy one younger or older and how is he/she crazy?

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 28 May 21 10.05am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

As I see it - politics aside - the PM and his Ministers are not responsible for 30 odd years of cut backs by successive Governments.
They have done a bit of course but from Blair through Cameron beds have been slashed as much as investment in infrastructure.

Edited by The Dolphin (27 May 2021 6.03pm)

This is not sufficient information

For the facts, look at The Kings Fund.

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Bed utilisation has risen recently and therefore more recent Governments should by now have taken action. Especially in provision for the elderly.

If you have ever tried taking an elderly person with dementia to hospital with e.g. a broken hip you will have first hand experience of how policy and investment did not adjust post implementation of 'care in the community'. Hospitals simply have no way to cope.

 

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View Ghostship's Profile Ghostship Flag Norfolk 28 May 21 10.17am Send a Private Message to Ghostship Add Ghostship as a friend

Cummings somehow seems to forget that when all of this bad planning and decision making was going on he was in fact the Senior advisor to the Government so this hardly reflects well on him.

As with all things the truth is somewhere in the middle. Cummings has made a career out of being deceitful and dishonest so why now all these lefties are hanging on his every word is just ridiculous.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 28 May 21 11.11am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Ghostship

Cummings somehow seems to forget that when all of this bad planning and decision making was going on he was in fact the Senior advisor to the Government so this hardly reflects well on him.

As with all things the truth is somewhere in the middle. Cummings has made a career out of being deceitful and dishonest so why now all these lefties are hanging on his every word is just ridiculous.

Maybe so, he has been pretty apologetic

But he also said that on multiple occasions he (amongst many others) wasn't listened to, until it came to the point where he had to resign. And he wished he had resigned earlier.

I see nobody hanging on his every word, most of what he said was already well known. If he has lied I have no doubt someone in Government will take him to task on that.

Unless, of course, they are all too busy giving vaccinations as seems to be the endless claim.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 May 21 11.46am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Are you badgers brothers? (Maybe brothers/sisters/non binary)

Is the crazy one younger or older and how is he/she crazy?

My brother is on here but not CrazyBadger not sure who he is but I'm sure he's a fine chap.

 


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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 28 May 21 1.44pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

My brother is on here but not CrazyBadger not sure who he is but I'm sure he's a fine chap.

Why thank you. that just goes To prove you don't know me - Chap, maybe... Fine? not so sure..

(un)fortunately I'm the only one in my family who has been cursed by supporting this fine club!

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 28 May 21 3.20pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

This is not sufficient information

For the facts, look at The Kings Fund.

[Link]

Bed utilisation has risen recently and therefore more recent Governments should by now have taken action. Especially in provision for the elderly.

If you have ever tried taking an elderly person with dementia to hospital with e.g. a broken hip you will have first hand experience of how policy and investment did not adjust post implementation of 'care in the community'. Hospitals simply have no way to cope.

Which is what I said isn't it?
I didn't know about the utilisation to be fair but given I have a Parent with Dementia and a relative with mental health issues my opinion of the healthcare system is in the gutter!
Blair & Co cut more beds than anyone but they have all done it year after year wherever possible and it is a disgrace.
They all shout NHS from the rooftops whilst they slowly destroy it.
Top heavy admin doesn't help matters either.
Bloody shame!

 

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View Pikester's Profile Pikester Flag Worthing 28 May 21 3.31pm Send a Private Message to Pikester Add Pikester as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Are you badgers brothers? (Maybe brothers/sisters/non binary)

Is the crazy one younger or older and how is he/she crazy?

Are you saying they come as a sett?

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 May 21 3.41pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Pikester

Are you saying they come as a sett?

 


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