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View Robspalu's Profile Robspalu Flag Plymouth 17 Jun 21 12.43pm Send a Private Message to Robspalu Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Robspalu as a friend

Bit of a catch22.
Players out Contract and wont sign with no Manager
Manger wont sign with so many players out of contract

Howe
Lampard
Cooper
Dyche
Ismael

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 17 Jun 21 2.25pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by Robspalu

Manger wont sign with so many players out of contract

Keep hearing this and in fact, quite possibly the exact opposite is true. Rather than being burdened with the old manager's players as usually happens in a new job, our new manager will get to hand-pick more or less his entire squad.

Will he have a lot of work to do initially? Yes. But manager's are always moaning and blaming results on "the inadequate squad they inherited". That won't be the case here at Palace.

Our new boss will have carte blanche, which is every manager's (in any occupation) dream. He can keep who he wants from the existing squad (assuming they're happy to remain, and the indications are that many of them are)or bring in his own players, etc. There's no money tied up in long contracts for players he doesn't want and the fact that with so many out of contract, the salary bill is presently low gives him plenty of money to bring in replacements.

In my view the state of our squad is a reason a manager WOULD take our job, not a reason that he wouldn't.

Edited by sydtheeagle (17 Jun 2021 2.28pm)

 


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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 17 Jun 21 2.42pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

My preferences:

1. Favre - similar personal tempo/dynamic to Roy, which obviously works well with Parrish and the importance of the chairman/manager relationship shouldn't be underestimated. Has managed big teams before (Dortmund), has been successful more or less everywhere he's been, and has a track record of winning trophies in multiple leagues. Also a reputation for playing attractive football. Only obvious downside is no PL experience, otherwise seems pretty much ideal.

2. Lampard - in my view did well at Derby and Chelsea overall while very much learning on the job which shows promise for his future. Articulate, good with young players, and ambitious which are all qualities required at Selhurst. Could presumably attract signings, not least from Chelsea. All that said, I tend to think if he was in the running he'd have the job by now. In fact, I'm surprised he hasn't.

3. Allardyce - yeah, I know, but better than Howe, Ismael, Cooper, or any of the other names mooted none of whom appeals to me at all. Not going to happen but BFS is more than capable of sorting out a "new" PL squad, getting us performing, punching above our weight, and handing a much more established, younger, and settled squad over to a new manager in three years' time. I don't like him either, but I can see the arguments why this would be a sensible move.

The rest: Don't like any of them. Howe to me is a one-trick pony who got exposed, has never succeeded outside an environment in which he had unusual control, and is starting to get a reputation for mucking clubs around because he has an unreasonably high opinion of himself (cf: Celtic and Palace in the past). Cooper I can see the young-player-nurturing argument but he has zero PL experience and his teams have got results, but in a pedestrian way. He may be a good PL manager one day, but too risky for us now. Ismael is a blunt-object specialist with a poor HR history and no record of building jobs. He's stayed nowhere for more than a year or so thus far which isn't what we need now. Dyche might make number four on my list, but I don't think he's leaving Burnley.

Edited by sydtheeagle (17 Jun 2021 2.45pm)

 


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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 17 Jun 21 4.59pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

So do we really expect our new manager to be appointed before multi player contracts expire at the end of the month and Zaha is sold?

 


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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 17 Jun 21 5.24pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by Mwncisee

OK So please read this initial post.

This is not a thread to discuss the pros and cons of each potential manager or `if's` and `but's`. There are other threads to do that. It seems views are very split so thought it would be interesting to see who, out of the reported likely candidates us fans would want.

So please answer and only answer with a list in order of preference, from only these names

Howe
Dyche
Lampard
Cooper
Ismael

None of them

 

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View Charles's Profile Charles Flag Forest Hill 17 Jun 21 8.37pm Send a Private Message to Charles Add Charles as a friend

Howe.

I'm not sure why Hodgson went if not to free Parish up to sign a manager he's chased so often in the past.

If we've somehow stuffed that up then lampard from the list but it will be a long haul involving season(s) in the Championship; he knows that; it's why he withdrew interest.

 

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View tonymikejoe's Profile tonymikejoe Flag C.P. 17 Jun 21 10.49pm Send a Private Message to tonymikejoe Add tonymikejoe as a friend

Pepe Mel
Claude Puel
Mark Hughes
Tim Sherwood
Martin O'Neill

 

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View Elphers40's Profile Elphers40 Flag Northants 18 Jun 21 7.50am Send a Private Message to Elphers40 Add Elphers40 as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Keep hearing this and in fact, quite possibly the exact opposite is true. Rather than being burdened with the old manager's players as usually happens in a new job, our new manager will get to hand-pick more or less his entire squad.

Will he have a lot of work to do initially? Yes. But manager's are always moaning and blaming results on "the inadequate squad they inherited". That won't be the case here at Palace.

Our new boss will have carte blanche, which is every manager's (in any occupation) dream. He can keep who he wants from the existing squad (assuming they're happy to remain, and the indications are that many of them are)or bring in his own players, etc. There's no money tied up in long contracts for players he doesn't want and the fact that with so many out of contract, the salary bill is presently low gives him plenty of money to bring in replacements.

In my view the state of our squad is a reason a manager WOULD take our job, not a reason that he wouldn't.

Edited by sydtheeagle (17 Jun 2021 2.28pm)

I’m in total agreement here Syd.

 

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View Booted Eagle's Profile Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 18 Jun 21 11.36am Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Dyche
Howe
Lampard
Cooper
Ismael

 


“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 18 Jun 21 11.58am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by imashed

Lampard
Ismael-Cooper

Howe
Dyche


The Swansley Manager, obvs.

I'll get my coat.

 

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View Elwissthebest's Profile Elwissthebest Flag Marlborough 18 Jun 21 1.24pm Send a Private Message to Elwissthebest Add Elwissthebest as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

My preferences:

1. Favre - similar personal tempo/dynamic to Roy, which obviously works well with Parrish and the importance of the chairman/manager relationship shouldn't be underestimated. Has managed big teams before (Dortmund), has been successful more or less everywhere he's been, and has a track record of winning trophies in multiple leagues. Also a reputation for playing attractive football. Only obvious downside is no PL experience, otherwise seems pretty much ideal.


2. Lampard - in my view did well at Derby and Chelsea overall while very much learning on the job which shows promise for his future. Articulate, good with young players, and ambitious which are all qualities required at Selhurst. Could presumably attract signings, not least from Chelsea. All that said, I tend to think if he was in the running he'd have the job by now. In fact, I'm surprised he hasn't.

3. Allardyce - yeah, I know, but better than Howe, Ismael, Cooper, or any of the other names mooted none of whom appeals to me at all. Not going to happen but BFS is more than capable of sorting out a "new" PL squad, getting us performing, punching above our weight, and handing a much more established, younger, and settled squad over to a new manager in three years' time. I don't like him either, but I can see the arguments why this would be a sensible move.

The rest: Don't like any of them. Howe to me is a one-trick pony who got exposed, has never succeeded outside an environment in which he had unusual control, and is starting to get a reputation for mucking clubs around because he has an unreasonably high opinion of himself (cf: Celtic and Palace in the past). Cooper I can see the young-player-nurturing argument but he has zero PL experience and his teams have got results, but in a pedestrian way. He may be a good PL manager one day, but too risky for us now. Ismael is a blunt-object specialist with a poor HR history and no record of building jobs. He's stayed nowhere for more than a year or so thus far which isn't what we need now. Dyche might make number four on my list, but I don't think he's leaving Burnley.

Edited by sydtheeagle (17 Jun 2021 2.45pm)

Sadly, I should think there is as much chance of Favre coming to Palace as manager as there is of Zaha taking the knee before starting for England against Scotland this evening.

Edited by Elwissthebest (18 Jun 2021 1.27pm)

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 18 Jun 21 4.42pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by Elwissthebest

Sadly, I should think there is as much chance of Favre coming to Palace as manager as there is of Zaha taking the knee before starting for England against Scotland this evening.

Edited by Elwissthebest (18 Jun 2021 1.27pm)

I'm not convinced that's the case. As I said elsewhere, there are the top-6 in the PL and half-a-dozen sides on the continent (Real, Barcelona, PSG, Juventus, Bayern Munich, etc.) that are unbeatable attractions for a manager. Beyond that, working in the PL is about as good a job as you can get. Favre isn't going to any of the aforementioned sides (all of whom presently have managers anyway, I think) so for him it's probably between a mid-level side like us in the richest, most appealing league in the world or perhaps a slightly higher level side on the continent (not top side, but next tier down.) If he wants to come to the PL (that's probably the key and there's a good chance he will), I think we're a realistic prospect for him. Plus, we're in London which for a foreigner is probably an added attraction.

I'm not saying we'll get Favre but if he's keen on England and we want him, I think there's at least a reasonable chance it could happen. Certainly a hell of a lot more likely than Zaha taking a knee before the game tonight.

 


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