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 EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 01 Jul 21 10.03pm |
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Can someone outline some of the benefits of Brexit 5 years later?
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| DanH SW2 01 Jul 21 10.11pm |
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Good news about Nissan. Absolutely terrible news about still being no closer to getting any sort of deal to EU passporting for financial services. Today’s news is like spending a grand on lottery tickets and celebrating winning a tenner. Edited by DanH (01 Jul 2021 10.11pm)
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 01 Jul 21 10.11pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I thought China already owns loads of London, particularly Canary Wharf. Why no police on Canary Wharf?
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| Matov 01 Jul 21 10.13pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Can someone outline some of the benefits of Brexit 5 years later? We have left the EU? That the vote on June 23rd was honoured, albeit after a few dramas along the way? That we have a trade deal with the EU, although with some complications. Problem is, for both sides of the divide, that Covid has been such a huge spoiler that neither party can really claim that Brexit made a difference one way or the other. It has really kicked everything up in the air, meaning that Brexit itself is really now just a historical event which people can use for a whole variety of purposes to suit their own agenda's in terms of claims and counter-claims. Lets be honest, ever since June 2016, entire rafts of supposed nailed on Economic certainties such as reccessions and so on never actually panned out, at least until Covid come along. What Remainer Retards (and I use that term strictly in terms of people who did not accept the result of 2016 as opposed to those who voted remain but acknowledged that Leave won and that it had to be acted upon) have to own is Boris Johnson ending up with the whopping majority he has. That is what you have to live with every day for the rest of your lives. Everything is merely hyperbole.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Jul 21 10.19pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
We have left the EU? That the vote on June 23rd was honoured, albeit after a few dramas along the way? That we have a trade deal with the EU, although with some complications. Problem is, for both sides of the divide, that Covid has been such a huge spoiler that neither party can really claim that Brexit made a difference one way or the other. It has really kicked everything up in the air, meaning that Brexit itself is really now just a historical event which people can use for a whole variety of purposes to suit their own agenda's in terms of claims and counter-claims. Lets be honest, ever since June 2016, entire rafts of supposed nailed on Economic certainties such as reccessions and so on never actually panned out, at least until Covid come along. What Remainer Retards (and I use that term strictly in terms of people who did not accept the result of 2016 as opposed to those who voted remain but acknowledged that Leave won and that it had to be acted upon) have to own is Boris Johnson ending up with the whopping majority he has. That is what you have to live with every day for the rest of your lives. Everything is merely hyperbole. Ok, the vote was honoured... any more? Even I’d acknowledge the increased agility was beneficial in the vaccine rollout, but struggling beyond that.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Jul 21 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I thought China already owns loads of London, particularly Canary Wharf. Why no police on Canary Wharf? What does this mean? I work in Canary Wharf and see police every day.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 01 Jul 21 10.21pm |
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When 5 years have passed after leaving then yes. Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Can someone outline some of the benefits of Brexit 5 years later?
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 01 Jul 21 10.24pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Good news about Nissan. Absolutely terrible news about still being no closer to getting any sort of deal to EU passporting for financial services. Today’s news is like spending a grand on lottery tickets and celebrating winning a tenner. Edited by DanH (01 Jul 2021 10.11pm) Yes, shame about the E,U passport, but the chancellor has told the city to look towards our Chinese friends for a way out, they are trusty business allies.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 01 Jul 21 10.30pm |
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When 5 years have passed after leaving then yes. Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Can someone outline some of the benefits of Brexit 5 years later? Matov has a good point in that time to move on from the days of 2016, but, celebrating a success that means well paid job creation is only " baiting " if the baited deem it so and reply accordingly. Perhaps we should take a Brexit break until say January 2023 when we will have some objectivity on how things have gone.
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| DanH SW2 01 Jul 21 10.31pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Ok, the vote was honoured... any more? Even I’d acknowledge the increased agility was beneficial in the vaccine rollout, but struggling beyond that. I voted remain and still would but firmly in the camp that the vote had to be honoured (i.e. not a ‘retard’ thankfully) but it’s far too early to tell if there will be any real longer term benefits. The vaccine rollout has shown the benefits of not being tied to a behemoth political Union and being able to act on your own and this will certainly have more benefits going forward. Matov is right in that Covid has been a huge disrupter in the entire process. It’s almost impossible to assess the impact on trade purely down to Brexit but I work with international clients who are all bemoaning the extra admin, red tape and costs of doing business (ironically the things we were told leaving them EU would reduce). I still think a lot of people that voted for Brexit were conned into thinking the EU was a far bigger bogeyman than it ever was or ever will be and that leaving it was some sort of magic cure to all this country’s perceived ills. It can be a success but it requires competent ministers and civil servants to make a success of it - something we are sadly lacking. Some of the early trade deals have suggested we’re happy to have a race to the bottom in terms of standards in a desperation to get them signed and save face so I’m not particularly confident the whole thing will be worth it. Oh. And the divide in the nation is pretty much irreversible.
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| Matov 01 Jul 21 10.37pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Ok, the vote was honoured... any more? Even I’d acknowledge the increased agility was beneficial in the vaccine rollout, but struggling beyond that. Votes being honoured is the entire point of living in a functioning democracy. That is the part I struggle to comprehend about so many people who, prior to the Brexit vote, I had down as genuine democrats but instead turned into thoroughly unpleasant people who just tried to dismiss my vote. Lost a lot of friends over that specific issue and not sure if many of those friendships can ever be mended. Serious harm done on so many levels. And I deliberately did not mention the vaccine issue because the reality is that there is a chance that we would have gone our own way, no matter what for a whole host of reasons, many of them logistical given how our NHS is structured and the role our Universities have played. But this is my point. Covid is such a game-changer that it throws everybody's predictions, post-March 2020, out of the window. Creates an entirely new global political reality, the outcome of which none of us can truly even guess at, let alone predict. We live in almost unique political times. And all of us need to back off from this Leave/Remain argument/divide. Brexit happened and we need to focus on what happens in the future now otherwise we could get engulfed in all kinds whilst still arguing about a pre-Covid reality that plays little part in what is happening around us.
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 01 Jul 21 10.49pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
I voted remain and still would but firmly in the camp that the vote had to be honoured (i.e. not a ‘retard’ thankfully) but it’s far too early to tell if there will be any real longer term benefits. The vaccine rollout has shown the benefits of not being tied to a behemoth political Union and being able to act on your own and this will certainly have more benefits going forward. Matov is right in that Covid has been a huge disrupter in the entire process. It’s almost impossible to assess the impact on trade purely down to Brexit but I work with international clients who are all bemoaning the extra admin, red tape and costs of doing business (ironically the things we were told leaving them EU would reduce). I still think a lot of people that voted for Brexit were conned into thinking the EU was a far bigger bogeyman than it ever was or ever will be and that leaving it was some sort of magic cure to all this country’s perceived ills. It can be a success but it requires competent ministers and civil servants to make a success of it - something we are sadly lacking. Some of the early trade deals have suggested we’re happy to have a race to the bottom in terms of standards in a desperation to get them signed and save face so I’m not particularly confident the whole thing will be worth it. Oh. And the divide in the nation is pretty much irreversible.
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