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Unfortunately if your first team plays in a league that pays out over a million pounds per table place at the end of the season then its easy to see why experimenting with younger players happens less (unless of course injuries / suspensions intervene)


Originally posted by NEILLO

Much as I like Mark Bright, for these ears he's a tough listen on Palace TV.

He did make an interesting statement about young players during yesterday's game though. Along the lines of not selecting them for the senior team just for the sake of it, they have to be good enough.

And that's a point that too many on here don't seem able to understand.

I question whether it's harder for youngsters to break through these days owing to the way football is structured.

In days gone by, a promising young player would get selected for the reserves. Team mates and opposition would be composed mainly of experienced players. That young player would be exposed to something akin to the physicality of League football and the standard of play required.

I don't think that U.23 football provides that learning curve. For evidence I look at our and other club's U.23 performances against the likes of Bromley where at times it resembles Men v Boys.

From personal experience ( albeit many moons ago ), when I was 16 and playing at a decent standard, my biggest problem was coping physically - and the only way to learn was to keep playing through it.

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Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Unfortunately if your first team plays in a league that pays out over a million pounds per table place at the end of the season then its easy to see why experimenting with younger players happens less (unless of course injuries / suspensions intervene)


Agreed. That's certainly another factor.

 


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That's the point. Safe with games to play so he could have given Jes, Scott Banks, Hannam and perhaps Rob Street an outing. The other one to watch is RB Danny Imray. Good to see him back with the U23s after a nasty injury.

AWB got dropped in at the deep-end and did fabulously well. Lets not forget he was due to be loaned out to Colchester. Had a great season with us and netted £50m. Not sure that would have happened if Wardy had stayed fit.

 

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Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Unfortunately if your first team plays in a league that pays out over a million pounds per table place at the end of the season then its easy to see why experimenting with younger players happens less (unless of course injuries / suspensions intervene)


I think you have hit the nail on the head. There is a reluctance to try given the financial implications. In days gone buy if you were mid table and safe one or two of the youngsters would have got a run out at the end of the season

 

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Originally posted by NEILLO

Much as I like Mark Bright, for these ears he's a tough listen on Palace TV.

He did make an interesting statement about young players during yesterday's game though. Along the lines of not selecting them for the senior team just for the sake of it, they have to be good enough.

And that's a point that too many on here don't seem able to understand.

I question whether it's harder for youngsters to break through these days owing to the way football is structured.

In days gone by, a promising young player would get selected for the reserves. Team mates and opposition would be composed mainly of experienced players. That young player would be exposed to something akin to the physicality of League football and the standard of play required.

I don't think that U.23 football provides that learning curve. For evidence I look at our and other club's U.23 performances against the likes of Bromley where at times it resembles Men v Boys.

From personal experience ( albeit many moons ago ), when I was 16 and playing at a decent standard, my biggest problem was coping physically - and the only way to learn was to keep playing through it.

Thoughts ?

Can agree with most of that. The physical side of the game is so hard for many to get to grips with. And if you are talking Premier league you have to be an all round top performance athlete.
It goes further you have be tactically completely aware. Banks, scored a brilliant free kick yesterday, but a few minutes before he completely failed to stay with an opponent and cut out what was an easy cross for the Reading man.
Lower division teams , are invariably organised, and mature, many under 23s are not even 20. And I think the friendlies we have played this year show clearly ,that it is not an easy transition into what we call menís football. And it probably gives a clue as to why, even when our boys have gone to lower league clubs on loan they donít get much game time..
My experience as a young player was as yours, many many years ,ago. The vast majority of lads that have had a sniff of pro football, in its entirety have failed in the first place for lack of physical presence.
In the Premier itís got to be the full package. For me Iím really hopeful for Rak Sakai, Banks to, they can both play it really is, can they transition now. . Given a bit of patience they both might.

 

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Originally posted by Gribbo

That's the point. Safe with games to play so he could have given Jes, Scott Banks, Hannam and perhaps Rob Street an outing. The other one to watch is RB Danny Imray. Good to see him back with the U23s after a nasty injury.

AWB got dropped in at the deep-end and did fabulously well. Lets not forget he was due to be loaned out to Colchester. Had a great season with us and netted £50m. Not sure that would have happened if Wardy had stayed fit.

I think actually you have missed the point.

While there is a million pounds per placing to be played for it's difficult to justify the risk attached to blooding youngsters with that financial incentive in place.

 


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Also when Covid was at at worst there was also the whole "who is in which bubble scenario" to consider - with the first team playing mostly Sat / Sun & the U23 playing mostly on the Monday you couldn't take a player out of the U23 bubble during midweek to join up with the first team & then put them back into the U23 bubble for the Mondays game if you didn't use him at the weekend.


Originally posted by NEILLO

I think actually you have missed the point.

While there is a million pounds per placing to be played for it's difficult to justify the risk attached to blooding youngsters with that financial incentive in place.

 

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The big teams used to be in favour of having a b team in the league below - I used to be against the idea because I felt that the only reason they did it was because they had such talent / resources at their disposal for some it was the only way they could get a competitive game regularly, and eventually you could end up with 2 Man City teams being in the Prem - however to a lesser degree for us to have a b team maybe in League 1 could actually be an answer to Neillos earlier mentioned dilemma.

Clearly - just making the point, there would have to be some considerable amount of water under the bridge & agreement on rules before it ever became a reality

 

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jeeagles Flag 01 Aug 21 12.03pm

Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

I think you have hit the nail on the head. There is a reluctance to try given the financial implications. In days gone buy if you were mid table and safe one or two of the youngsters would have got a run out at the end of the season

This is a false economy. We gave Mitchell a couple of games at the end of the 19/20 season and he proved he'd be ready to step up to first team level. Signing a player to play in his position would have cost £15m to £20m.

We lost 7 out of 8 of the last games with our first XI. Would have been an excellent chance to bring a few youngsters on hungry to prove a point whilst the senior pro's were already in holiday mode.

Ultimately, we didn't gain any places in those final games and only took a brief look at one young player. So failed on both fronts.

 

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Maybe we should consider buying a National League or similar standing club ? (is it even allowed ?)

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

The big teams used to be in favour of having a b team in the league below - I used to be against the idea because I felt that the only reason they did it was because they had such talent / resources at their disposal for some it was the only way they could get a competitive game regularly, and eventually you could end up with 2 Man City teams being in the Prem - however to a lesser degree for us to have a b team maybe in League 1 could actually be an answer to Neillos earlier mentioned dilemma.

Clearly - just making the point, there would have to be some considerable amount of water under the bridge & agreement on rules before it ever became a reality

 

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Presumably the thinking of the management team about our chances of winning / picking up some points / keeping goal difference down to a minimum before those 8 games would have been different from if you asked them afterwards, knowing the outcome they probably would have agreed with you / reached the same conclusion.

Originally posted by jeeagles

This is a false economy. We gave Mitchell a couple of games at the end of the 19/20 season and he proved he'd be ready to step up to first team level. Signing a player to play in his position would have cost £15m to £20m.

We lost 7 out of 8 of the last games with our first XI. Would have been an excellent chance to bring a few youngsters on hungry to prove a point whilst the senior pro's were already in holiday mode.

Ultimately, we didn't gain any places in those final games and only took a brief look at one young player. So failed on both fronts.

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles

This is a false economy. We gave Mitchell a couple of games at the end of the 19/20 season and he proved he'd be ready to step up to first team level. Signing a player to play in his position would have cost £15m to £20m.

We lost 7 out of 8 of the last games with our first XI. Would have been an excellent chance to bring a few youngsters on hungry to prove a point whilst the senior pro's were already in holiday mode.

Ultimately, we didn't gain any places in those final games and only took a brief look at one young player. So failed on both fronts.

Mitchell showed promise when he got his chance, but no more than that. Over time he has developed and with PVA not being extended, he's made the LB position his but I don't think he was ready at the end of 2019/20.

The point about youngsters not being blooded due to the financials can't be considered to be a false economy if those players aren't ready in the view of the manager. You are one of the people ( it would seem ) that advocate playing youngsters for the sake of it - I refer back to Mark Bright's comments on that philosophy.

 


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