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NE14T Flag 06 Aug 21 9.37am

I think this guy is just what we need and what we’ve been lacking over last few years. Parish and Vieira have shown great courage and intent and it would be a real shame to see it all in vain with Benteke fluffing his lines again up front.

 


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NE14T Flag 06 Aug 21 9.51am

As I’ve said before we need a striker who has the split second awareness and skill to find the corners of the net and unfortunately Benteke doesn’t have this in his locker. He’s a hit and hoper aiming in the general direction of the goal which is why he finds the keeper so often. Sure.. he sometimes gets lucky but we just need more at this level If we are going to challenge for a top 8.

 


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View Osvaldo's Profile Osvaldo Flag Epsom 06 Aug 21 9.51am Send a Private Message to Osvaldo Add Osvaldo as a friend

Yes, agree with the need to get someone who will guarantee 15 goals a season.
So secure AA and add another A - Abrahams and there you have the potential of 30 goals per season. I know this is very simplistic but asking our 'marksman' to get 15 between them is a bridge too far.
We must invest in people who SCORE goals.
This department has been lacking for a number of years, hence the football has been so boring.
Benteke or one of the other two bring on as substitutes.

 

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View Fatherken's Profile Fatherken Flag 06 Aug 21 10.10am Send a Private Message to Fatherken Add Fatherken as a friend

No front player will get any goals unless they get the service , which has been our problem for many years .
I see at the first opportunity the Benteke haters are out again .

 

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View Booted Eagle's Profile Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 06 Aug 21 10.21am Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Osvaldo

Yes, agree with the need to get someone who will guarantee 15 goals a season.
So secure AA and add another A - Abrahams and there you have the potential of 30 goals per season. I know this is very simplistic but asking our 'marksman' to get 15 between them is a bridge too far.
We must invest in people who SCORE goals.
This department has been lacking for a number of years, hence the football has been so boring.
Benteke or one of the other two bring on as substitutes.

Only 7 strikers scored 15 plus goals last season. This may increase, like the season before when the crowds return. That said Watkins was 8th with 14 so you can do well in the Championship and make the step up. Unfortunately he cost £30 million and I can easily see AA not far off this, particularly if the likes of Soton with some money to burn are interested. Abraham, who incidentally only scored 6 goals in 22 games last season, will also be out of our price range. Soton are supposedly looking at him as well.

 


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View kennybrowns leftfoot's Profile kennybrowns leftfoot Flag Reigate 06 Aug 21 10.24am Send a Private Message to kennybrowns leftfoot Add kennybrowns leftfoot as a friend

Originally posted by Fatherken

No front player will get any goals unless they get the service , which has been our problem for many years .
I see at the first opportunity the Benteke haters are out again .

No it's about being realistic... If you think that Bentekes dreadful scoring record prior to the last few months of last season is purely down to a lack of service then you can't be watching him properly.

I've lost count over the last few seasons the amount of times he's displayed a terrible first touch, lack of enthusiasm, lack of motivation, awful finishing and hiding behind defenders.

I sincerely hope he carries on this season how he left last season. Time will tell.

 


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View Omph's Profile Omph Flag Liverpool 06 Aug 21 10.26am Send a Private Message to Omph Add Omph as a friend

Originally posted by Fatherken

No front player will get any goals unless they get the service , which has been our problem for many years .
I see at the first opportunity the Benteke haters are out again .

Absolutely this

My question about Armstrong is what quality service he had at Blackburn. Does that flatter him or make him better?

Also statistically Benteke was one of the most effective strikers in the league last time out when you look at goals scored by minute on the pitch. What many miss on here is that his strike rate last season was comparable to all bar the very best. He barely featured at all early season when we were - for us - banging in goals like there was no tomorrow.

Bamford Wilson Antonio Watkins - strikers at clubs around our level or the level we aspire to all were equally erratic in returns. Watkins and Bamford are ahead on goals scored (getting to around 15 or more) largely by dint of the fact they played way more minutes and benefitted from Bielsa Ball and Grealish respectively

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 06 Aug 21 10.31am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

This could go to the wire. It could be a question of who blinks first, Blackburn, Palace or So'ton?

Blackburn know they have to reach a deal with a PL club this window otherwise Armstrong will be off on a free next summer.

So'ton and Palace both need another striker with the Saints need possibly the greater. I fear they may jump first and cough up the full £20m that Blackburn want.

However, it seems Armstrong might prefer us so interesting days - possibly weeks - ahead.

There's also the question of who else we might be looking at.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Aug 21 10.31am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Fatherken

No front player will get any goals unless they get the service , which has been our problem for many years .
I see at the first opportunity the Benteke haters are out again .

A flurry of goals towards the end of the season, 4 in his last 4 PL games and 5 in his last 7 and he was much improved from the player who had been derided by supporters.

I just think that supporters are not convinced that the reversal in fortunes will be maintained and think he could well return to the player who disappointed all and sundry.

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View Omph's Profile Omph Flag Liverpool 06 Aug 21 10.45am Send a Private Message to Omph Add Omph as a friend

Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot

No it's about being realistic... If you think that Bentekes dreadful scoring record prior to the last few months of last season is purely down to a lack of service then you can't be watching him properly.

I've lost count over the last few seasons the amount of times he's displayed a terrible first touch, lack of enthusiasm, lack of motivation, awful finishing and hiding behind defenders.

I sincerely hope he carries on this season how he left last season. Time will tell.

There's an element of truth but think you're overstating personally - for the most part he looked like a good CF to me in general play but did as you say hide somewhat.

Where I diverge is on the question as to whether he is a "bad" centre forward and incapable of scoring goals.

Generally a fan of RH but prepared to entertain the notion that he had a negative effect on all our attacking players. Wilf I thought was often blunt under him and Townsend regressed too. In the - fairly extensive - spells where Wilf was pinned to the left touchline and targeted with receiving the ball as an outlet in our own half he was fairly ineffective as an attacking force and I thought slightly fed up.

Thought he only really perked up when he had Bats (version 1) alongside him, was pushed up further forward as per early last season or when Townsend was a threat down the other side.

What made Benteke perk up last season? Who knows? My version is that is was Eze becoming a real force which gave the whole attack a new lease of life. Not exactly the Zaha Bolasie effect but something akin to it.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Aug 21 11.01am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot

No it's about being realistic... If you think that Bentekes dreadful scoring record prior to the last few months of last season is purely down to a lack of service then you can't be watching him properly.

I've lost count over the last few seasons the amount of times he's displayed a terrible first touch, lack of enthusiasm, lack of motivation, awful finishing and hiding behind defenders.

I sincerely hope he carries on this season how he left last season. Time will tell.

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View Hudsoneagle's Profile Hudsoneagle Flag 06 Aug 21 11.01am Send a Private Message to Hudsoneagle Add Hudsoneagle as a friend

Well the cynic in me would point to the fact that both his contract was running out and he was playing to get into the Belgium squad for the Euro's...

On the other hand there was very little change to his effort or his game play. He simply hit a patch of good finishing.

So its my opinion that Benteke simply picked up some form that perhaps was helped by the rewards on offer to him. He does genuinely seem to like playing at Palace and does come across as a very likeable chap. I consider him a good player who could easily score 15 goals a season if he stays fit and is used in a system that suits him well.

I'm not so sure he is going to be very good at closing down the opposition in the way PV seems to want us to do...but its very early days to write anyone off.

 

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