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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 05 Aug 21 4.34pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

This YouTube video sets out well some changes to the loan system. I strongly disagree with his analyses of the rights and wrongs, but the facts are handy.

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Basically superclubs can't do loan armies any more for players over 22, meaning they can't stockpile talent. Especially from next year. So there should be good bargains emerging. Probably some forced selling now, but hugely so next year.

We have squad space, other clubs not so much. Just a theory, but I never bought the idea that we ran down these contracts cos we are dumb.

 


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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

This YouTube video sets out well some changes to the loan system. I strongly disagree with his analyses of the rights and wrongs, but the facts are handy.

[Link]

Basically superclubs can't do loan armies any more for players over 22, meaning they can't stockpile talent. Especially from next year. So there should be good bargains emerging. Probably some forced selling now, but hugely so next year.

We have squad space, other clubs not so much. Just a theory, but I never bought the idea that we ran down these contracts cos we are dumb.

I suspected many of the players didn't want to renew. It's not just our choice.

 


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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 05 Aug 21 5.29pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I suspected many of the players didn't want to renew. It's not just our choice.

or renew based on the wages being offered!!!

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 05 Aug 21 5.43pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I agree with the new restrictions to stop PL clubs stock piling talent.

Example Under Today's Rules:
Teenager developed at League 1 club offered professional terms by club £300 per week. PL club think he might make it and offer kid £3000 per week so he signs for them and spends his time in the reserves.

PL club think hang on we're paying this kid £3000 pw send him out on loan try and get £4,000 pw or at least offset some of his wages.

Result:
League I club lose young talent they developed and fans of robbed of chance of seeing one of their own.

PL club doesn't take much of a risk and may even make a profit.

Player may not develop as their spend critical time playing U23 football rather than learning to play in League 1.

Now an example after the load changes:

Teenager developed at League 1 club offered professional terms by club £300 per week. PL club think he might make it but are not certain so it is a financial risk to them as they can only loan 8 players. As he is on the bubble the PL club passes. Teenager signs with his home club.

Result:
Teenager may or may not make it but as he is one of their own the fans keep the faith and give him every chance to learn his trade. If he comes good he gets his big move and the club get a transfer fee everybody is happy.


 


One more point

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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 05 Aug 21 8.43pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

The club didn't let them run down, the players did, was on stupid money which they wouldn't get elsewhere.

 

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View Bearcage's Profile Bearcage Flag Welling 06 Aug 21 12.07am Send a Private Message to Bearcage Add Bearcage as a friend

The club could offer players an extension to their existing contracts on current terms, or let contract end and offer a new contract on different terms (lower wages), which they did. Some signed, others left or are still undecided. The wage bill was reduced significantly, enabling new players to be bought in.

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 06 Aug 21 6.43am Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

But why did it all coalesce around summer 2021?

 


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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

But why did it all coalesce around summer 2021?

This is the question. Hard to think that Parish was unaware of the contract situation. However it does explain why Hodgson was retained for the final year, and left at the end thereof. With all the contracts expired I couldn't see any decent youngster signing on for a few seasons of Royball.

 

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My thoughts on this were that SP / the club have been anticipating (or at the very least hoping) for new investment for some time, since around 12 months before covid came along, this new investment / new investors didnt materialise, then covid came along & attracting new investment became even harder - all this time the clock was ticking, the club knew that at some point in time they would have to have a reset, carrying on as we were would be unsustainable, the reset target date (if you will) became when RH was going to leave - all things culminated at the same time- so whilst it probably didnt start out as plan a, eventually everything merged together and became a sensible plan b, for sure we have leapt onto this plan b with everything we have , new manager, new players, older ones out the door & with a few weeks to go of the transfer window we are still being linked with attractive players- quite frankly the club couldnt have done more than they have done to make this reset a success, obviously time will tell but honestly if we get relegated this season at least we will go down having tried to plan our way forward, not spiralling out of control


Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

But why did it all coalesce around summer 2021?

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Aug 21 7.58am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

But why did it all coalesce around summer 2021?

I and others predicted this last summer:

COVID was only a few months old, clubs were not dropping their player valuations as they hoped things would get back to normal soon. Why would you panic at that stage?

I give credit to Parish that he guessed that transfers and wages would drop if not in the UK certainly around the rest of the world if Palace waited. *

So the board decided not to renew contracts at that stage and to keep Roy for one more year hoping prices would fall.

Events I think have proved him right, many of our PL competitors (Man City are not the competition) are not spending big because they have done so in the last few years. They most be regretting this as they have paid over the odds and have players on high wages.

I think Parish has played a blinder as I don't think we have paid silly money for the new recruits.

Only time will tell if we have the right manager and mix of players but so far so good.

*The icing on the cake was the failure of the Super League we would have been in real trouble if that had taken off. Instead Barcelona and Real Madrid and some of the other big Europeans are the ones in financial trouble. In France the TV has failed.

It's a buyers market if you can hold your nerve.

Edited by Badger11 (06 Aug 2021 8.03am)

 


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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 06 Aug 21 8.05am Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

But why did it all coalesce around summer 2021?

It is easy to put something down to planning in retrospect that probably comes about through coincidence or happenstance. We havenít really signed anyone in the last 3-4 or years except Eze and Kouyate and a lot of the players we signed under Pardew, Allardyce and De Boer would have had their contracts coming to an end around the same time, given a typical 3-5 years contract, especially as they have were all a similar age, e.g. PVA , Benteke , Sakho we had already extend contracts for Schlupp and Luka who we knew we wanted to keep.
The policy recently has been to add to the squad through bargains picking up players who are older or have had injuries and are not fancied by other clubs Cahill, McCarthy and Clyne, if he doesnít re-sign, and have a shorter cycle of contracts you could add Wickham into this category.
Itís is more likely that Covid and the financial situation in clubs across Europe has meant we are more able to replace the older players with younger players and we are in a good place for a refresh of the squad.

 


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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 06 Aug 21 8.22am Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I and others predicted this last summer:

COVID was only a few months old, clubs were not dropping their player valuations as they hoped things would get back to normal soon. Why would you panic at that stage?

I give credit to Parish that he guessed that transfers and wages would drop if not in the UK certainly around the rest of the world if Palace waited. *

So the board decided not to renew contracts at that stage and to keep Roy for one more year hoping prices would fall.

Events I think have proved him right, many of our PL competitors (Man City are not the competition) are not spending big because they have done so in the last few years. They most be regretting this as they have paid over the odds and have players on high wages.

I think Parish has played a blinder as I don't think we have paid silly money for the new recruits.

Only time will tell if we have the right manager and mix of players but so far so good.

*The icing on the cake was the failure of the Super League we would have been in real trouble if that had taken off. Instead Barcelona and Real Madrid and some of the other big Europeans are the ones in financial trouble. In France the TV has failed.

It's a buyers market if you can hold your nerve.

Edited by Badger11 (06 Aug 2021 8.03am)


Think you are right with this, when I say don't put down to plannning something that can happen through happenstance I am talking longer term situation of contracts coming to an end.
I do think with a new manager coming in and the financial situation across European football we were in good postition to benefit and Parish made the decsion to take a gamble. If we hadn't been able to pick Andersen on the cheap we would have probably secured Cahill early.

 


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