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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 08 Aug 21 9.12am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

We had been the oldest squad in the prem. So something needed to change.


I still cannot decide if the overall strategy is genius ? or maybe its a plan for us straight down to the championship.

Only time will tell. A ton of fellas not prem-proven is very risky to me.

 


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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 08 Aug 21 9.48am Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

This is the question. Hard to think that Parish was unaware of the contract situation. However it does explain why Hodgson was retained for the final year, and left at the end thereof. With all the contracts expired I couldn't see any decent youngster signing on for a few seasons of Royball.

Is that the same royball that kept us comfortably In the Premiership for four seasons? If we are relegated this season you may rue losing Roy!

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 Aug 21 10.11am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

If the new regime is successful a massive part of the credit should go to Roy.

I think that in footballing terms we should have changed our squad over the last 2 seasons, financially as I previously explained it made sense to hang on for prices to drop.

Roy was given the unenviable task of avoiding relegation with an aging squad all so the he could then give his successor a clean start with money to buy.

To his credit Roy has done just that let's hope we don't squander it, unlike Moan United we cannot afford mistakes.

In years to come last season's avoiding relegation with a crocked and aging squad maybe one of Palace's most successful as it was the springboard for the PV revolution.

 


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View viveasheagle's Profile viveasheagle Flag perth 08 Aug 21 10.35am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

Yes i think a lot of contracts were left to run down as this will give the new manager a change to bring players he wants to work with. I think for a variety of reasons it is a buyers market at the moment.

 

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View Aray's Profile Aray Flag South London 08 Aug 21 10.41am Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

If we had had money I think wed have taken a different approach to rejuvenating the squad. Its composition was flawed due to our poor acquisition strategy in earlier times - no one wanted our ageing overpaid journey-man players so we had to wait until their contracts were up. Those circumstances have have really allowed us to take advantage of the current situation in the football economy. Teams need to sell. Our competition is mostly strapped for cash or are at the limits of FFP rules. Add to that having a genuine PL legend as our manager, and it seems weird to say this, we have had a great window and it seems were not done yet!

Plenty of time to integrate the new players. Our squad is looking almost there.

 

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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 08 Aug 21 11.24am Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by Aray

If we had had money I think wed have taken a different approach to rejuvenating the squad. Its composition was flawed due to our poor acquisition strategy in earlier times - no one wanted our ageing overpaid journey-man players so we had to wait until their contracts were up. Those circumstances have have really allowed us to take advantage of the current situation in the football economy. Teams need to sell. Our competition is mostly strapped for cash or are at the limits of FFP rules. Add to that having a genuine PL legend as our manager, and it seems weird to say this, we have had a great window and it seems were not done yet!

Plenty of time to integrate the new players. Our squad is looking almost there.

All the time until next Saturday (six days in fact)!

 

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View nead1's Profile nead1 Flag 08 Aug 21 12.11pm Send a Private Message to nead1 Add nead1 as a friend

It appears the fees paid are amortised over the life of the contract so the larger fees paid for Sakko, Townsend and VA are now no longer showing on the balance sheet - some 50m. Hence, the opportunity was there for a reset with contracts now set at much more realistic levels in the main although that was seemingly not enough to tempt Townsend and Cahill to stay. Of the others, Dann and Hennessy have been fine servants over a long period but their best days were behind them. The same, of course, applies to Wickham. Hence, the conclusion has to be that the reset made sensible economic sense along with the timing.

As others have said, the job Roy did should not be underestimated given he was essentially having to operate with everything he inherited for 4.5 years. The only really significant expenditure was Eze and Sorloth and it appears the money spent on the latter was largely recovered and Eze is likely to be worth considerably more than was paid for him - assuming he makes a full recovery form his incredibly unlucky injury.

 

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View Aray's Profile Aray Flag South London 08 Aug 21 12.19pm Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

Originally posted by beak

All the time until next Saturday (six days in fact)!

I know you meant this as a joke but its worth pointing out that we dont need to play a single newcomer on Saturday. We have an established first team already- only Cahill and Townsend were regulars to have left. Cahill was far too slow but Townsends departure leaves a bit of a hole, Ill admit.

 

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View ItsCPFCforme's Profile ItsCPFCforme Flag 10 Aug 21 12.25am Send a Private Message to ItsCPFCforme Add ItsCPFCforme as a friend

This is the important point; these player costs are now off the balance sheet freeing the club to start buying again. Also, the club could not offload these ageing players for fees that would have enabled us to purchase sufficiently capable replacements. I think we needed a bit of a reset rather than expensively trying to plug gaps to try and stay up rather than at least trying to build something. Sure, it might not work but you at least cant fault our effort. Had we got relegated last season it would have been a real waste of our time in the premier league, having gone down without a whimper, losing all those players for nothing. At least this new squad has some potential and youth for the longer term even if this season does prove to be a struggle. I am also liking the fact that most of our fan base seem to accept that this is a transitional season. Staying up while developing a better style has to be our first target. I think the strategy seems sensible considering our financial history.

Originally posted by nead1

It appears the fees paid are amortised over the life of the contract so the larger fees paid for Sakko, Townsend and VA are now no longer showing on the balance sheet - some 50m. Hence, the opportunity was there for a reset with contracts now set at much more realistic levels in the main although that was seemingly not enough to tempt Townsend and Cahill to stay. Of the others, Dann and Hennessy have been fine servants over a long period but their best days were behind them. The same, of course, applies to Wickham. Hence, the conclusion has to be that the reset made sensible economic sense along with the timing.

As others have said, the job Roy did should not be underestimated given he was essentially having to operate with everything he inherited for 4.5 years. The only really significant expenditure was Eze and Sorloth and it appears the money spent on the latter was largely recovered and Eze is likely to be worth considerably more than was paid for him - assuming he makes a full recovery form his incredibly unlucky injury.

 

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View Hudsoneagle's Profile Hudsoneagle Flag 10 Aug 21 10.47am Send a Private Message to Hudsoneagle Add Hudsoneagle as a friend

This is an interesting debate...I suspect there are several reasons why it came about all at once.

Of the players that were due to leave we kept Ward, Clyne, Benteke and Guaita.

We said good bye to Hennessey, PVA, Sahko, Wickham, Townsend, Cahill, Dann, and McCarthy.

So although many articles out there suggested we were releasing 22 players, a good proportion of those were youth players. In the end we released 8 first team players.

Now I think its fair to say that Sahko and Wickham hadn't been able to contribute to the 1st team for far too long and they were both on high wages so losing those two players has almost no impact on the 1st team...the writing was on the wall for both of them.

It seems to me that the club decided Hennessey was on too high wages to be the clubs 3rd choice GK...so he was released to save money.

Of the 5 remaining the 2 CB's are 34/35 and perhaps the club had been considering bringing in younger players for those positions for a while...I have read that they were on 60k and 65k a week as well. I have also read that Palace offered Cahill 35k a week to stay but he rejected it.

The other 3 seem to me the ones where people may disagree because they were easily at an age to compete at this level. All 3 were on 50k/55k which is around the average at the club. Did we want them? Were they performing well? Were there cheaper options out there? Did they want to stay?

I wonder whether Palace decided this was a year where they could vastly reduce the wage bill in a way they might never be able to do again. Replacing half of those outgoing older players on contracts costing the club half the amount seems a no brainer as long as we retain enough experience in the squad to survive...which I think we have.

I expect the next players to leave the club will be Luka and Kouyate because of a mix of their age and their wages.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 10 Aug 21 12.00pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Hudsoneagle

This is an interesting debate...I suspect there are several reasons why it came about all at once.

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I wonder whether Palace decided this was a year where they could vastly reduce the wage bill in a way they might never be able to do again. Replacing half of those outgoing older players on contracts costing the club half the amount seems a no brainer as long as we retain enough experience in the squad to survive...which I think we have.

I expect the next players to leave the club will be Luka and Kouyate because of a mix of their age and their wages.


1. Agreed. The existing wage bill was unsustainable and it was imperative that the club restructured it so as to be on a more sustainable footing and they seem to have done that.

2. Kouyate has just the one year left on his contract. The club can either sell him in this window for a few million and save a few million more in wages or keep him for the year and let his contract run out. Much will depend on who else the club is able to bring in during this window. His ability to fulfill more than one role may see the club keep him, especially given the number of appearances he's had in pre-season.

3. As for Luka, who knows where's his head is at the moment? I can well see him going before the end of his contract.

 

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