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Midlands Eagle 09 Aug 21 6.42am
Originally posted by Yannick selassie there are some really sad people here with below par debating skills That's about the only thing that you've said that I agree with but I doubt whether you will agree with me on who the prime culprit is
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Originally posted by Yannick selassie

there are some really sad people here with below par debating skills

That's about the only thing that you've said that I agree with but I doubt whether you will agree with me on who the prime culprit is

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Spiderman Horsham 09 Aug 21 7.02am
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt To demonstrate that 'ingrained racism is almost certainly a reason we haven't had more black managers' you would indeed need to know how many black candidates Palace have overlooked, and also show that some or all of them were as good or better than the person who did get the job. That, or show that black potential candidates were discouraged from applying, not by their own reading of the cultural climate, but by the club itself. If someone can't do that then they have absolutely no business making such a statement. Edited by TheBigToePunt (08 Aug 2021 5.03pm) Some time ago there was a heated debate on Talksport about this. Simon Jordan stated that at no time, when looking for a manager, did one black candidate apply. It is not racism, it seems, at the present time, very few retired black players want to enter management
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Horsham 09 Aug 21 7.02am

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

To demonstrate that 'ingrained racism is almost certainly a reason we haven't had more black managers' you would indeed need to know how many black candidates Palace have overlooked, and also show that some or all of them were as good or better than the person who did get the job. That, or show that black potential candidates were discouraged from applying, not by their own reading of the cultural climate, but by the club itself.

If someone can't do that then they have absolutely no business making such a statement.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (08 Aug 2021 5.03pm)

Some time ago there was a heated debate on Talksport about this. Simon Jordan stated that at no time, when looking for a manager, did one black candidate apply.
It is not racism, it seems, at the present time, very few retired black players want to enter management

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Spiderman Horsham 09 Aug 21 7.17am
Originally posted by Yannick selassie Is that the the only hole you could pick in my statement? Like I said there are some very sad people on here..”you lot” refers to the angry trolls who try to lynch me on the hill every time I write something...it’s not actually a reference to the “them and us” mentality of yester-year that I imagine some people would hope Id be referring to in order to sling the reverse racism card at me which would satisfy their delusions that I’m just an angry little man who hates white people...You lot would love that but sorry to disappoint I love white people my grandma is white I’m just an impartial observer being able to sit on the fence and look inwards with a balance is one of the advantages of being mixed white and black. Sorry guys For someone who only joined this forum in July ( apparently) you seem to be very angry and aggressive towards people who do not share your opinion. Your post on Henry/Rooney thread seems to substantiate this.
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Horsham 09 Aug 21 7.17am

Originally posted by Yannick selassie

Is that the the only hole you could pick in my statement? Like I said there are some very sad people on here..”you lot” refers to the angry trolls who try to lynch me on the hill every time I write something...it’s not actually a reference to the “them and us” mentality of yester-year that I imagine some people would hope Id be referring to in order to sling the reverse racism card at me which would satisfy their delusions that I’m just an angry little man who hates white people...You lot would love that but sorry to disappoint I love white people my grandma is white I’m just an impartial observer being able to sit on the fence and look inwards with a balance is one of the advantages of being mixed white and black. Sorry guys

For someone who only joined this forum in July ( apparently) you seem to be very angry and aggressive towards people who do not share your opinion. Your post on Henry/Rooney thread seems to substantiate this.

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Palace in the Blood 09 Aug 21 10.19am
It is a great pity that posts like this are based on ethnic origins rather than the qualifications of the candidates. I have been supporting Palace for getting on for 50 years. How many ex-players have managed in the professional game and how many have been sucessful? A Handfull This shows how few ex-players irrespective of ethnicity make this change. If you look at managers in the EPL how many are British? compared this to 20 years ago. The point is everything evolves and clubs want to recruit the best both in terms of players, coaching and managerial staff. On the subject of the post Sol Campbell. He was a great player but has not proved himself as a manager or in any coaching capacity. This is why he would not have been considered for Palace job not the colour of his skin
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It is a great pity that posts like this are based on ethnic origins rather than the qualifications of the candidates.

I have been supporting Palace for getting on for 50 years. How many ex-players have managed in the professional game and how many have been sucessful? A Handfull

This shows how few ex-players irrespective of ethnicity make this change.

If you look at managers in the EPL how many are British? compared this to 20 years ago.

The point is everything evolves and clubs want to recruit the best both in terms of players, coaching and managerial staff.

On the subject of the post Sol Campbell. He was a great player but has not proved himself as a manager or in any coaching capacity. This is why he would not have been considered for Palace job not the colour of his skin

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palace99 New Mills 09 Aug 21 10.45am
Originally posted by sydtheeagle Campbell's problems appear closely linked to his "difficult" personality. I've heard from more than one source that over the years, a number of clubs (admittedly outside the Premiership) have interviewed him with a serious interest in hiring him but completely changed their minds after speaking to him in person. Wasn't that the reason he lost the jobs he did get, too; the results weren't awful (given the resources he had at his disposal) but within six months he had fallen out with everyone from the chairman to the players? From what I've heard in the media and from direct interviews with him, he appears to take the view that it's "my way or the highway" and he has a rather higher view of his (totally unproven) managerial abilities than his prospective bosses do. Furthermore, he's been quick to play the racism card as the reason he's had few opportunities. To be clear, it's pretty obvious that ingrained racism is almost certainly a reason we haven't had more black managers, but I'm not sure it's the reason Sol Campbell hasn't found a job. Edited by sydtheeagle (08 Aug 2021 2.37pm) some good points. Is there racism at the top end of football? A difficult one, but it is interesting that senior England internationals such as Ince and Campbell had to go to lowly Macclesfield to get a job whereas others got much better opportunities - Lampard, Gerrard etc. Sol does like to use the racism card though. At Arsenal he was one of the highest earning players in the game (similar to Sterling now) so there are clearly opportunities regardless of colour. I do remember Campbell implying he would have been England captain more often if he was white. He played 73 times for England and 500 club games and to my knowledge was rarely captain of his clubs, so thought that a slightly strange conclusion.
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New Mills 09 Aug 21 10.45am

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Campbell's problems appear closely linked to his "difficult" personality. I've heard from more than one source that over the years, a number of clubs (admittedly outside the Premiership) have interviewed him with a serious interest in hiring him but completely changed their minds after speaking to him in person. Wasn't that the reason he lost the jobs he did get, too; the results weren't awful (given the resources he had at his disposal) but within six months he had fallen out with everyone from the chairman to the players? From what I've heard in the media and from direct interviews with him, he appears to take the view that it's "my way or the highway" and he has a rather higher view of his (totally unproven) managerial abilities than his prospective bosses do. Furthermore, he's been quick to play the racism card as the reason he's had few opportunities. To be clear, it's pretty obvious that ingrained racism is almost certainly a reason we haven't had more black managers, but I'm not sure it's the reason Sol Campbell hasn't found a job.

Edited by sydtheeagle (08 Aug 2021 2.37pm)

some good points. Is there racism at the top end of football? A difficult one, but it is interesting that senior England internationals such as Ince and Campbell had to go to lowly Macclesfield to get a job whereas others got much better opportunities - Lampard, Gerrard etc.

Sol does like to use the racism card though. At Arsenal he was one of the highest earning players in the game (similar to Sterling now) so there are clearly opportunities regardless of colour.

I do remember Campbell implying he would have been England captain more often if he was white. He played 73 times for England and 500 club games and to my knowledge was rarely captain of his clubs, so thought that a slightly strange conclusion.

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Midlands Eagle 09 Aug 21 10.54am
Originally posted by palace99 Is there racism at the top end of football? A difficult one, but it is interesting that senior England internationals such as Ince and Campbell had to go to lowly Macclesfield to get a job whereas others got much better opportunities - Lampard, Gerrard etc. I very much doubt whether there is racism in the Premier League boardrooms as every club will look to appoint the very best manager for the job just as they look to bring in the best players for their teams irrespective of the colour of their skin. I'm not sure that you can use Lampard and Gerrard as examples as they are very rare examples with our own Patrick Vieira moving into coaching in a more traditional manner
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09 Aug 21 10.54am

Originally posted by palace99

Is there racism at the top end of football? A difficult one, but it is interesting that senior England internationals such as Ince and Campbell had to go to lowly Macclesfield to get a job whereas others got much better opportunities - Lampard, Gerrard etc.

I very much doubt whether there is racism in the Premier League boardrooms as every club will look to appoint the very best manager for the job just as they look to bring in the best players for their teams irrespective of the colour of their skin.

I'm not sure that you can use Lampard and Gerrard as examples as they are very rare examples with our own Patrick Vieira moving into coaching in a more traditional manner

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 09 Aug 21 11.33am
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt So no facts to back up your original statement then? Fact are unimportant to some. To deviate from the argument a little, 'trans activist' Munroe Berghof debated with Andrew Neil about the lack of opportunities for black people due to 'systemic racism' and when he challenged her with statistics on how many more black kids got to university than white ones percentage wise, she just said 'those are just facts'.
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Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 09 Aug 21 11.33am

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

So no facts to back up your original statement then?

Fact are unimportant to some. To deviate from the argument a little, 'trans activist' Munroe Berghof debated with Andrew Neil about the lack of opportunities for black people due to 'systemic racism' and when he challenged her with statistics on how many more black kids got to university than white ones percentage wise, she just said 'those are just facts'.

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 09 Aug 21 4.38pm
Originally posted by Yannick selassie Cor blimey you are one of them guys who’d argue that a circle wasn’t round unless I had the exact measurement of the circumference and multiplied it by pi in front of you...give it a rest son you just look desperate for a row. I just gave an opinion. Grow up. Just wanted to point out 2 tiny errors here; firstly, performing this calculation will not help you determine the roundness of a circle. Secondly, if the circle proves not to be round, it is not, ipso facto, a circle. Hope that helps.
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Originally posted by Yannick selassie

Cor blimey you are one of them guys who’d argue that a circle wasn’t round unless I had the exact measurement of the circumference and multiplied it by pi in front of you...give it a rest son you just look desperate for a row. I just gave an opinion. Grow up.

Just wanted to point out 2 tiny errors here; firstly, performing this calculation will not help you determine the roundness of a circle.

Secondly, if the circle proves not to be round, it is not, ipso facto, a circle.

Hope that helps.

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midlandspalace kidderminster 09 Aug 21 4.52pm
A circle is the locus of a point that moves in two dimensions so that it is a fixed distance from a fixed point. That is a proper mathematical definition. It has nothing to do with whether or not there is systemic racism in football, something which most of us are unable to comment on with any authority. What cannot be denied is that some football fans (who knows how many) are racist (listen to supposed England fans booing John Barnes in the 1980s). For how this can affect players I can recommend reading "My Story" by our very own Mark Bright [Link]
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A circle is the locus of a point that moves in two dimensions so that it is a fixed distance from a fixed point.

That is a proper mathematical definition. It has nothing to do with whether or not there is systemic racism in football, something which most of us are unable to comment on with any authority.

What cannot be denied is that some football fans (who knows how many) are racist (listen to supposed England fans booing John Barnes in the 1980s).

For how this can affect players I can recommend reading "My Story" by our very own Mark Bright [Link]

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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 09 Aug 21 5.01pm
Originally posted by midlandspalace A circle is the locus of a point that moves in two dimensions so that it is a fixed distance from a fixed point. That is a proper mathematical definition. It has nothing to do with whether or not there is systemic racism in football, something which most of us are unable to comment on with any authority. What cannot be denied is that some football fans (who knows how many) are racist (listen to supposed England fans booing John Barnes in the 1980s). For how this can affect players I can recommend reading "My Story" by our very own Mark Bright [Link] Thanks for the tip, I didn't know he had an autobiography out but have ordered a copy. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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Holmesdale / Surbiton 09 Aug 21 5.01pm

Originally posted by midlandspalace

A circle is the locus of a point that moves in two dimensions so that it is a fixed distance from a fixed point.

That is a proper mathematical definition. It has nothing to do with whether or not there is systemic racism in football, something which most of us are unable to comment on with any authority.

What cannot be denied is that some football fans (who knows how many) are racist (listen to supposed England fans booing John Barnes in the 1980s).

For how this can affect players I can recommend reading "My Story" by our very own Mark Bright [Link]

Thanks for the tip, I didn't know he had an autobiography out but have ordered a copy.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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Yannick selassie Penge 09 Aug 21 9.48pm
Originally posted by Spiderman For someone who only joined this forum in July ( apparently) you seem to be very angry and aggressive towards people who do not share your opinion. Your post on Henry/Rooney thread seems to substantiate this. Lol did you not read how bitter and dismissive the original post about Henry was? The general consensus seemed to agree with me and the OP literally called Henry “just an arrogant bully” who was not world class..I mean does that not sound like a twisted bitter opinion of someone who’s just out to hate..all I did was suggest he’s chasing the dragon as in a smack head...was not overly aggressive but did list attributes as to back up my reasoning that Henry was as good as everyone said he was... But I’m just a troublemaker aren’t I haha doesn’t matter if the original post was inflammatory and aggressive or not I was there to start trouble ok mate Someone please tell me what was so inflammatory or outrageous about my first comment on this post to have someone draw his sword at me and tell me my opinion was invalid and disgraceful just because I dared to suggest black players might have a difference experience..is the the English football lads alliance page am I on the wrong forum or what? I know there are a few Yaxley-Lennon minions on here but cor blimey I didn’t realise they were so sensitive and fragile The pack mentality I’m seeing on this forum is really infantile yet unsurprising as there is safety in numbers and the internet is a safe space for people with strong outdated convictions that lack substance- daily mail readers etc And just to let you know I’ve been reading this forum for around ten years probably a bit more so not new here at all and been watching palace since my first game at selhurst millwall 1994 I was there at Leicester Claridge I was there when hopkin curled one I was there for Lombardo and at Sasha curcic’s protests I was at Liverpool in the league cup featuring Julian grey etc...I was standing on the advertising boards at Stockport when dougie scored and he ran to me to celebrate and hence been there at too many poignant moments over the last twenty years than I could mention..I even walked for an hour and a half to see Trevor Francis punch kolinko in his nose on a cold Tuesday night against Bradford..I’ve got stripes and pedigree and hundreds and hundreds of games on the holmesdale and Arthur wait so I’ve got every right to be here as much as anyone before you question my position again sorry for turning up and having an opinion maybe I’ll just keep it to myself and let the old timers talk trash about whatever they like unchallenged...proper sad little community
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Originally posted by Spiderman

Lol did you not read how bitter and dismissive the original post about Henry was? The general consensus seemed to agree with me and the OP literally called Henry “just an arrogant bully” who was not world class..I mean does that not sound like a twisted bitter opinion of someone who’s just out to hate..all I did was suggest he’s chasing the dragon as in a smack head...was not overly aggressive but did list attributes as to back up my reasoning that Henry was as good as everyone said he was...

But I’m just a troublemaker aren’t I haha doesn’t matter if the original post was inflammatory and aggressive or not I was there to start trouble ok mate

Someone please tell me what was so inflammatory or outrageous about my first comment on this post to have someone draw his sword at me and tell me my opinion was invalid and disgraceful just because I dared to suggest black players might have a difference experience..is the the English football lads alliance page am I on the wrong forum or what? I know there are a few Yaxley-Lennon minions on here but cor blimey I didn’t realise they were so sensitive and fragile

The pack mentality I’m seeing on this forum is really infantile yet unsurprising as there is safety in numbers and the internet is a safe space for people with strong outdated convictions that lack substance- daily mail readers etc

And just to let you know I’ve been reading this forum for around ten years probably a bit more so not new here at all and been watching palace since my first game at selhurst millwall 1994 I was there at Leicester Claridge I was there when hopkin curled one I was there for Lombardo and at Sasha curcic’s protests I was at Liverpool in the league cup featuring Julian grey etc...I was standing on the advertising boards at Stockport when dougie scored and he ran to me to celebrate and hence been there at too many poignant moments over the last twenty years than I could mention..I even walked for an hour and a half to see Trevor Francis punch kolinko in his nose on a cold Tuesday night against Bradford..I’ve got stripes and pedigree and hundreds and hundreds of games on the holmesdale and Arthur wait so I’ve got every right to be here as much as anyone before you question my position again sorry for turning up and having an opinion maybe I’ll just keep it to myself and let the old timers talk trash about whatever they like unchallenged...proper sad little community

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Spiderman Horsham 09 Aug 21 9.53pm
Originally posted by Yannick selassie Lol did you not read how bitter and dismissive the original post about Henry was? The general consensus seemed to agree with me and the OP literally called Henry “just an arrogant bully” who was not world class..I mean does that not sound like a twisted bitter opinion of someone who’s just out to hate..all I did was suggest he’s chasing the dragon as in a smack head...was not overly aggressive but did list attributes as to back up my reasoning that Henry was as good as everyone said he was... But I’m just a troublemaker aren’t I haha doesn’t matter if the original post was inflammatory and aggressive or not I was there to start trouble ok mate Someone please tell me what was so inflammatory or outrageous about my first comment on this post to have someone draw his sword at me and tell me my opinion was invalid and disgraceful just because I dared to suggest black players might have a difference experience..is the the English football lads alliance page am I on the wrong forum or what? I know there are a few Yaxley-Lennon minions on here but cor blimey I didn’t realise they were so sensitive and fragile The pack mentality I’m seeing on this forum is really infantile yet unsurprising as there is safety in numbers and the internet is a safe space for people with strong outdated convictions that lack substance- daily mail readers etc And just to let you know I’ve been reading this forum for around ten years probably a bit more so not new here at all and been watching palace since my first game at selhurst millwall 1994 I was there at Leicester Claridge I was there when hopkin curled one I was there for Lombardo and at Sasha curcic’s protests I was at Liverpool in the league cup featuring Julian grey etc...I was standing on the advertising boards at Stockport when dougie scored and he ran to me to celebrate and hence been there at too many poignant moments over the last twenty years than I could mention..I even walked for an hour and a half to see Trevor Francis punch kolinko in his nose on a cold Tuesday night against Bradford..I’ve got stripes and pedigree and hundreds and hundreds of games on the holmesdale and Arthur wait so I’ve got every right to be here as much as anyone before you question my position again sorry for turning up and having an opinion maybe I’ll just keep it to myself and let the old timers talk trash about whatever they like unchallenged...proper sad little community You may have just proved my point
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Horsham 09 Aug 21 9.53pm

Originally posted by Yannick selassie

But I’m just a troublemaker aren’t I haha doesn’t matter if the original post was inflammatory and aggressive or not I was there to start trouble ok mate

You may have just proved my point

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