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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Obviously that is just one of many many things.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 2.26pm)

Good one! You know you've won an argument online when the other person has nothing to say but insult you

 

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Originally posted by Seagles

Good one! You know you've won an argument online when the other person has nothing to say but insult you

Really, that's weird criteria. Anyway on that basis you must be admitting defeat then? As that's how you started.

I'd like to keep this going but honestly you don't seem that bright. Tell you what, you carry on believing your little construction of the world and leave the thinking to others.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Really, that's weird criteria. Anyway on that basis you must be admitting defeat then? As that's how you started.

I'd like to keep this going but honestly you don't seem that bright. Tell you what, you carry on believing your little construction of the world and leave the thinking to others.

Not really, the guy accepted that he's a racist. I was stating a fact.

And I bet you're not done just yet are you? You never are.

 

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Originally posted by Seagles

tldr: he can justify being a racist because of the word's origins and by ignoring the current real world definition and usage, as well as the real consequences of such behaviour. Thanks mate, I never knew that.

Alternating between believing that racism is either purely political, completely acceptable and natural or not real. Unless it impacts white people at any point of course, in which you quickly find out that its the major component of the blokes character to begin with.

It's funny how people go full circle and at the extremes you get black and white inadequates alike thinking that racism isn't even real unless they're the target of it.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

Alternating between believing that racism is either purely political, completely acceptable and natural or not real. Unless it impacts white people at any point of course, in which you quickly find out that its the major component of the blokes character to begin with.

It's funny how people go full circle and at the extremes you get black and white inadequates alike thinking that racism isn't even real unless they're the target of it.

You don't quite understand the point...or just don't care about being accurate: I'll explain.

I raise the anti white stuff as evidence of hypocrisy in those that claim racism in others.

I don't actually have an issue with the tribalism, which is what 'racism' actually is a weaponsied form of because....up to a point preference is human nature.

I've said this quite a few times now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 4.02pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You don't quite understand the point...or just don't care about being accurate: I'll explain.

I raise the anti white stuff as evidence of hypocrisy in those that claim racism in others.

I don't actually have an issue with the tribalism, which is what 'racism' actually is a weaponsied form of because....up to a point preference is human nature.

I've said this quite a few times now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 4.02pm)

Well I for one am willing to believe that anyone is able to be racist. Dynamics, demographics and power structures in society often feed into who benefits and who loses out. Beyond casting a vote those factors are largely outside of our control anyway. As individuals all we can seek to do is treat as we find regardless of colour or creed. Regardless of our race, where our tribalism gets in the way of that we're doing a disservice to ourselves and others.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

Well I for one am willing to believe that anyone is able to be racist. Dynamics, demographics and power structures in society often feed into who benefits and who loses out. Beyond casting a vote those factors are largely outside of our control anyway. As individuals all we can seek to do is treat as we find regardless of colour or creed. Regardless of our race, where our tribalism gets in the way of that we're doing a disservice to ourselves and others.

I'll respond to these reasonable points later.

 


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Originally posted by BlueJay

Well I for one am willing to believe that anyone is able to be racist. Dynamics, demographics and power structures in society often feed into who benefits and who loses out. Beyond casting a vote those factors are largely outside of our control anyway. As individuals all we can seek to do is treat as we find regardless of colour or creed. Regardless of our race, where our tribalism gets in the way of that we're doing a disservice to ourselves and others.

I would agree with that except for the last sentence.

I believe in operating in the real world and making decisions and judgements that reflect that.

Unlike you I grew up in Brixton and I received a first class education in what the sharp end is like when not in a European majority.

Even after being lucky enough to escape that environment for a long time I chose to believe in the wishful egalitarianism that forms the centre of both our laws and political attitudes. I'd call it 'sermon on the mountism' and it's essentially the central plank of the European mainstream.....essentially that good will has been completely taken advantage of.

The older I became the more obvious it was that, unfiltered the egalitarian liberalised ideal didn't stand up to scrutiny when anyone looks at what the social outcomes are.

Europeans tend to be least ethnocentric people on the planet....that makes them ripe for idealised egalitarianism. This lack of identity means that compared to other groups they can be sold policies that directly harm their group interests under the guise of, 'don't be racist' and amid ahistorical takes on history designed to guilt trip them. These arguments wouldn't work outside the European environment.

However, part of that harming is to not apply the same standards to other groups....of course not, because the point is power.

Now the capital city in England is majority non English, with Birmingham quickly following suit. Parts of Yorkshire and beyond are now Islamic enclaves....increases in crime, increases in flight and balkanization...but the poor, especially the elderly who can't easily get away suffer the most as their living spaces change radically before them.

Now this isn't an issue for those who believe in unfiltered racial utopias. You yourself appear to think it doesn't matter...however, I think this is ignorance of history. I find its usually the case that these people don't actually live in diverse areas themselves with their knowledge of integration being formed more by watching Eastenders each week than by actually living in it.

The people make an area. It is reflected in crime rate, job rate and attitudes towards the localised environment. The idea that people are interchangeable is a lie...anyone who looks at a picture of Brixton in the fifties and compares to thirty or forty years later can see that.

Apparently that reality is 'racist', but as I said in my earlier post. This is just a demonisation of tribalism created decades ago by communists as a means to attack western societies. Those who control the megaphone have indocrinated society with it.

I think they and the elites have created a looming nightmare and the increase in anti white propaganda is only a reflection of an the increased persecutions of Europeans who recognise their identity as the demographic and power position map changes.....Yet any other demographic is afforded that right with no issues.

My position is anti globalist not because I don't like people of other races. It's because I know that unfiltered it simply doesn't work.

Instead, as I said, what is the practical outcome? It leads to flight, both people and economic, ghettoization, balkanization, less social cohesion and higher crime. That's the actual social outcomes.....not the fantasies that you seem to believe in.

It is the importing of future conflict....and those too poor to get out of the way are always the victims of middle class grand designs.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 5.18pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I would agree with that except for the last sentence.

I believe in operating in the real world and making decisions and judgements that reflect that.

Unlike you I grew up in Brixton and I received a first class education in what the sharp end is like when not in a European majority.


Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 5.18pm)

It sounds like you actually grew up with a typical 'minority experience', that you've solely come to perceive as a 'not a European majority' experience. Your choice to view it through that prism has resulted in a chip on your shoulder with regards to both anger and dismissal towards minorities in general, and a resentment when the slightest concern is shown towards them - because clearly at some point in time, you would've personally benefited from that concern being shown towards you.

Essentially you let those who showed so little humanity towards you win. You perpetuate it.

It's clear from your tome that you still crave people understanding where you're coming from, but you've lost the thread of the actual whats and whys, to your own and others detriment. It's not like you don't have valid points, but it gets lost, and a serious amount of every day people are just going to think you take issue with difference to a ridiculous extent. It's unfortunate because it's perfectly typical to have varying views on immigration and what not, without it becoming such a daily, all consuming affair.

We all have a vote, if we are capable we have more choices, beyond that the powers that be will always call the shots, and we'll likely all be 'victim of the moment' at some point in time as result regardless of colour or creed. Everyday people are not to blame for how you feel about life.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Aug 2021 6.06pm)

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

It sounds like you actually grew up with a typical 'minority experience', that you've solely come to perceive as a 'not a European majority' experience. Your choice to view it through that prism has resulted in a chip on your shoulder with regards to both anger and dismissal towards minorities in general, and a resentment when the slightest concern is shown towards them - because clearly at some point in time, you would've personally benefited from that concern being shown towards you.

Essentially you let those who showed so little humanity towards you win. Their impact echoes through your head and down through your fingertips.

It's clear from your tome that you still crave people understanding where you're coming from, but you've lost the thread of the actual whats and whys, to your own and others detriment. It's not like you don't have valid points, but it gets lost, and a serious amount of every day people are just going to think you take issue with difference to a ridiculous extent. It's unfortunate because it's perfectly typical to have varying views on immigration and what not, without it becoming such an all consuming affair.

We all have a vote, if we are capable we have more choices, beyond that the powers that be will always call the shots, and we'll likely all be 'victim of the moment' at some point in time as result regardless of colour or creed. Everyday people are not to blame for how you feel about life.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Aug 2021 6.04pm)

A chip on my shoulder? You can think that because I think it comes from your lack of experience of what really happens in unfiltered environments. All I hear from you is essentially an idealism which you are unwilling to recognise the negatives of..

What I saw and experienced as a teenager wasn't a 'lack of humanity', it wasn't atypical. It was the reality of a majority non European environment.....it isn't without reason why people try to flee to European societies.

But hey, if you think you know better, that's for you.

Anyway, I became a teacher, and I've worked with minorities as part of that. Everyone is a individual and deserves that treatment. However, group dynamics and statistics are just reality. But while I'm aware, I'll always treat how I find.

Anyway that'll be me on this topic for now. In my estimation we have posted at each other enough.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 6.18pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A chip on my shoulder? You can think that because I think it comes from your lack of experience of what really happens in unfiltered environments. All I hear from you is essentially an idealism which you are unwilling to recognise the negatives of..

What I saw and experienced as a teenager wasn't a 'lack of humanity', it wasn't atypical. It was the reality of a majority non European environment.....it isn't without reason why people try to flee to European societies.

But hey, if you think you know better, that's for you.

Anyway, I became a teacher, and I've worked with minorities as part of that. Everyone is a individual and deserves that treatment. However, group dynamics and statistics are just reality. But while I'm aware, I'll always treat how I find.

Anyway that'll be me on this topic for now. In my estimation we have posted at each other enough.

Sounds good to me. You of course have no idea about how 'unfiltered' anyone elses experience has been in life or what they have had to face. There's little room for any of that while you're in the conversation though of course. I'll leave you to it. Good day.

 

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You have to get with the program, only white people can be racist. Not sure on the pantone scale how that works, Scandinavians are very different shades to say Italians or Greeks.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This person is not being racist apparently by calling people " house negros" and " coconuts "


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A chip on my shoulder? You can think that because I think it comes from your lack of experience of what really happens in unfiltered environments. All I hear from you is essentially an idealism which you are unwilling to recognise the negatives of..

What I saw and experienced as a teenager wasn't a 'lack of humanity', it wasn't atypical. It was the reality of a majority non European environment.....it isn't without reason why people try to flee to European societies.

But hey, if you think you know better, that's for you.

Anyway, I became a teacher, and I've worked with minorities as part of that. Everyone is a individual and deserves that treatment. However, group dynamics and statistics are just reality. But while I'm aware, I'll always treat how I find.

Anyway that'll be me on this topic for now. In my estimation we have posted at each other enough.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 6.18pm)

Edited by HKOwen (18 Aug 2021 11.56pm)

 


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