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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 26 Aug 21 4.24pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290

So why have you been commenting on Afghanistan as you don't live there and I doubt ever have? - same with the US and many other countries you have been commenting in including China. I used to live in the UK and still have family there but I can comment on any country's news just like you or anyone else.

Edited by Orange1290 (26 Aug 2021 4.03pm)

Please show me where I said you could not comment? I said you seem overly concerned about the UK when you no longer live here and probably will not return. You are, of course entitled to your opinions, as is everyone else on here, but the way you constantly speak down to those that voted Brexit is getting tiresome, but I must say, at times, your views are laughable so please keep it up.

I have actually lived and worked in Afghanistan for 2 months, prior to the 2001 invasion. It was obviously nothing like they are experiencing now.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Aug 21 4.25pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290

Germany didn't have thousands of truck drivers leave after brexit. The UK had thousands of European truck drivers living in the UK that did. In fact brexit helped the European truck business by returning thousands of drivers to the EU, the situation would have been worse here without the help of brexit. I know that's a bit complicated for you to understand but if you try it for a few hours you might just get it.

Edited by Orange1290 (26 Aug 2021 4.21pm)

A few hours? You flatter me; itíll take longer than that.

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Aug 21 4.29pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

As I have said many times before, pre-Brexit, non-eu family members were afforded better treatment than those of UK Citizens. May I assume that to get your wife a visa, you had to produce many documents relating to maintenance and accommodation. You would also have had to pay a large amount of money. If however you were a Spanish national living in the UK, her visa would have been gratis and you would not have had to produce evidence of maintenance and accommodation.
I know little about the benefit system but they had advantages pre- brexit

It doesn't actually have anything to do with the benefit system itself. I can understand why a Spanish national living in the UK would have been treated like that pre-Brexit. Whilst we were EU members, I suspect we were bound to offer equivalent treatment to that they would get in their home country.

Not though post-Brexit, but I also suspect that equivalence is the reason. I think British nationals living in the EU have been promised they would receive the same treatment as home nationals, and in the Brexit treaty we agreed to do the same under the EUSS.

Thus, EU family members are being treated better, when settlement is being considered, than the family members of British citizens. New rules apply to those from the EU, but the old rules still apply to us.

The effect is that EU family members can now switch status, whilst British ones cannot. For a student nurse this means that not only can they not be granted a maintenance loan, they also cannot get the £5,000 per year training grant awarded in 2019, as a maintenance loan is the eligibility criteria. The EU family member now gets both.

It's quite a scandal.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (26 Aug 2021 4.30pm)

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 26 Aug 21 4.43pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It doesn't actually have anything to do with the benefit system itself. I can understand why a Spanish national living in the UK would have been treated like that pre-Brexit. Whilst we were EU members, I suspect we were bound to offer equivalent treatment to that they would get in their home country.

Not though post-Brexit, but I also suspect that equivalence is the reason. I think British nationals living in the EU have been promised they would receive the same treatment as home nationals, and in the Brexit treaty we agreed to do the same under the EUSS.

Thus, EU family members are being treated better, when settlement is being considered, than the family members of British citizens. New rules apply to those from the EU, but the old rules still apply to us.

The effect is that EU family members can now switch status, whilst British ones cannot. For a student nurse this means that not only can they not be granted a maintenance loan, they also cannot get the £5,000 per year training grant awarded in 2019, as a maintenance loan is the eligibility criteria. The EU family member now gets both.

It's quite a scandal.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (26 Aug 2021 4.30pm)

So Brexit has been favourable to EU nationals in the UK donít tell Orange

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Aug 21 4.46pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

So Brexit has been favourable to EU nationals in the UK donít tell Orange

Still recovering from naming himself after The Trumpster.

 

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View Orange1290's Profile Orange1290 Flag 26 Aug 21 4.51pm Send a Private Message to Orange1290 Add Orange1290 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

So Brexit has been favourable to EU nationals in the UK donít tell Orange


Of course it has, they'll be getting British citizenship in many cases and even more as time goes by, so they'll have that and EU citizenship. Meanwhile while their British neighbours voted to have less rights than their EU neighbours. Very funny indeed, good for the those from the EU.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Aug 21 10.20pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

So Brexit has been favourable to EU nationals in the UK donít tell Orange

Not really the point. The D o E have said that the terms of the EUSS ensure that EU nationals being granted settled status will be treated the same as British citizens. Which is reasonable. What it didn't say is that they would be treated better, so it seems obvious that if the terms of the treaty result in better treatment for EU citizens, and their family members, then adjustments also need to be made to the way British nationals are treated.

They aren't and no-one seems aware, or remotely concerned, when it's pointed out to them.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 26 Aug 21 10.36pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Suspect the issue is that the dynamics between EU citizens in the UK and those in the EU are, as a whole, totally different.

I would hazard a guess that 95% plus of EU citizens in the UK have come here to work. Lets be honest, its not for the weather and the food. They actually contribute in terms of taxation and so on. Their kids go to school here and probably will end up staying.

Whereas for most UK citizens in the EU, its largely the other way around. Retired and whilst they certainly help out by pissing large amounts of money up the metaphorical walls, they are not invested in the wider system so much. Hence why they are treated differently. Seen as far more outsiders by the bureaucracy with no real genuine stake in the countrys future.

Of course, there are exceptions to this but I think the two situations are patently different. That does not excuse what has happened but there are other issues at play.

 


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View Orange1290's Profile Orange1290 Flag 27 Aug 21 8.41am Send a Private Message to Orange1290 Add Orange1290 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Suspect the issue is that the dynamics between EU citizens in the UK and those in the EU are, as a whole, totally different.

I would hazard a guess that 95% plus of EU citizens in the UK have come here to work. Lets be honest, its not for the weather and the food. They actually contribute in terms of taxation and so on. Their kids go to school here and probably will end up staying.

Whereas for most UK citizens in the EU, its largely the other way around. Retired and whilst they certainly help out by pissing large amounts of money up the metaphorical walls, they are not invested in the wider system so much. Hence why they are treated differently. Seen as far more outsiders by the bureaucracy with no real genuine stake in the countrys future.

Of course, there are exceptions to this but I think the two situations are patently different. That does not excuse what has happened but there are other issues at play.


Well, from my experience over the last 30 years and now living in my 8th EU country is that the vast majority of Brits don't integrate at all into the local communities unlike the majority of EU citizens in the UK. That's mostly down to language as most Brits don't speak or bother to learn the language of their hist country, further isolating them from everything that that country has to offer. Most EU citizens speak English, most very good English, especially those that moved to the UK which has helped them integrate, start businesses, get good employment etc. Another aspect is that the number of Brits within the EU is tiny compared to the number of EU citizens that are in the UK, of course comparing a group of 27 countries to 1. Something like 3.5 million EU citizens in a country of 69 million instead of 1.5 million Brits in a region that contains 450 million.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Aug 21 8.47am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Suspect the issue is that the dynamics between EU citizens in the UK and those in the EU are, as a whole, totally different.

I would hazard a guess that 95% plus of EU citizens in the UK have come here to work. Lets be honest, its not for the weather and the food. They actually contribute in terms of taxation and so on. Their kids go to school here and probably will end up staying.

Whereas for most UK citizens in the EU, its largely the other way around. Retired and whilst they certainly help out by pissing large amounts of money up the metaphorical walls, they are not invested in the wider system so much. Hence why they are treated differently. Seen as far more outsiders by the bureaucracy with no real genuine stake in the countrys future.

Of course, there are exceptions to this but I think the two situations are patently different. That does not excuse what has happened but there are other issues at play.

It's my understanding that the treaty ensures that both EU nationals settling here, and UK nationals settling in an EU country, will be treated the same as the home citizens of wherever they are. So whether they are working, or retired, is irrelevant and isn't the issue I have described.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not really the point. The D o E have said that the terms of the EUSS ensure that EU nationals being granted settled status will be treated the same as British citizens. Which is reasonable. What it didn't say is that they would be treated better, so it seems obvious that if the terms of the treaty result in better treatment for EU citizens, and their family members, then adjustments also need to be made to the way British nationals are treated.

They aren't and no-one seems aware, or remotely concerned, when it's pointed out to them.

The law and expectations of there behaviour is equal.
Suddenly its about money then and trying to stir it up.
Very European!

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 Aug 21 8.53am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not really the point. The D o E have said that the terms of the EUSS ensure that EU nationals being granted settled status will be treated the same as British citizens. Which is reasonable. What it didn't say is that they would be treated better, so it seems obvious that if the terms of the treaty result in better treatment for EU citizens, and their family members, then adjustments also need to be made to the way British nationals are treated.

They aren't and no-one seems aware, or remotely concerned, when it's pointed out to them.

I must admit I knew nothing about this. It seems a loophole has been identified and people are utilising it to their own advantage ( why wouldnít they?). Eventually it may be picked up on by the media and there will be a scurry of activity within the Department. I will try to find out some more details but you seem well versed anyway. Maybe this is why more than 6m EU nationals have now registered to remain, when estimates gave the figure around 3m

 

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