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View Orange1290's Profile Orange1290 Flag 25 Aug 21 5.50pm Send a Private Message to Orange1290 Add Orange1290 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

You go crying about names then lay everyone with a different opinion as brainwashed. Double standards from Mr lefty. BTW wissie hasn't replied to many of your posts to him. Maybe he isn't as radical as you assume.

Shame, have a nice evening lol.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 25 Aug 21 5.56pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290

Shame, have a nice evening lol.

My foots a lot better thanks. Not had a beer for a week now so even impressed myself with that. Have a good evening yourself. Lol

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 25 Aug 21 6.27pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I understood your point, but to suggest Brexit was forced by the voters is untrue. It happened only because the Tory Party agreed to hold a referendum. Which they did in their own interests and not because they believe in referendums. The whole process was hijacked by a well-organised, noisy minority, who then exploited the weaknesses inherent in referendums as a method to determine matters of such huge importance.

The voters were the willing sheep herded into the right booths by misinformation and jam tomorrow promises.

Orban knows he is in trouble with the EU, so it's hardly surprising he is encouraging a separation. Totally different scenario.

more BS

 

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View Orange1290's Profile Orange1290 Flag 25 Aug 21 6.52pm Send a Private Message to Orange1290 Add Orange1290 as a friend

Of course those that point to Orban as some sort of 'brexit' validation opportunity are the same people (some on here) that slate China and anything it stands for. Yet Orban is a huge supporter of China and has been pushing for unilateral deals with China and supporting their actions in Hong Kong:

"Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán is now openly taunting Germany's enraged government with his ability to veto any unified EU response to China's human rights abuses, particularly in Hong Kong."

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 25 Aug 21 7.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290

Of course those that point to Orban as some sort of 'brexit' validation opportunity are the same people (some on here) that slate China and anything it stands for. Yet Orban is a huge supporter of China and has been pushing for unilateral deals with China and supporting their actions in Hong Kong:

"Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán is now openly taunting Germany's enraged government with his ability to veto any unified EU response to China's human rights abuses, particularly in Hong Kong."

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I don't slate everything China stands for, just its anti any freedom stances. Plus, let's not forget that it's the CCP rather than the Chinese people as a collective.....people have died fighting for more freedom in China.

It's similar to the EU and Europe situation, where they are used interchangeably when they are not the same thing.

So you're a pro China commentator yet you recognise it has human rights abuses?

Sure, maybe not everything Orban does is great or a perfect situation. But the EU is not a unified state with one voice......and without Orban Hungary would lose its culture and its people would becomes minorities in their own cities....and be called racist for objecting to it.

Not everyone wants their Police to drive around painted in the rainbow flag.


Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Aug 2021 7.13pm)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Aug 21 7.34pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

According to you, other opinions are available such as the millions who voted for UKIP over decades and then for the Brexit party. That didn't come from the top, only when it looked a possibility did some of the elite jump on board no doubt for their own reasons.

I don't want to re-run that debate I was merely pointing out that this time It is the Hungarian government who appears to be pushing the voters in that direction not the voters pushing.

I didn't challenge the point about Orban being the instigator in Hungary, only the idea that it was the voters who drove it here when it wasn't. It was the minority who supported UKIP who drove it, installing fear in Central Office that the Tory Party could implode.

Don't anyone fool themselves into believing, as some would have you believe, that Brexit was the result of a popular uprising against the EU. It was a car crash of epic proportions, the damage from which we are only just beginning to see. We will be lucky to avoid the wheels coming off completely.

I could tell you a story, from personal experience, about just how ridiculous it is in practice. A situation where EU nationals living in the UK are now able to draw bigger benefits than UK citizens. All because of Brexit and the EUSS.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 25 Aug 21 7.38pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I didn't challenge the point about Orban being the instigator in Hungary, only the idea that it was the voters who drove it here when it wasn't. It was the minority who supported UKIP who drove it, installing fear in Central Office that the Tory Party could implode.

Don't anyone fool themselves into believing, as some would have you believe, that Brexit was the result of a popular uprising against the EU. It was a car crash of epic proportions, the damage from which we are only just beginning to see. We will be lucky to avoid the wheels coming off completely.

I could tell you a story, from personal experience, about just how ridiculous it is in practice. A situation where EU nationals living in the UK are now able to draw bigger benefits than UK citizens. All because of Brexit and the EUSS.

Surely those EU nationals have settlement status, otherwise not sure they can qualify.

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Edited by Spiderman (25 Aug 2021 7.41pm)

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Aug 21 7.51pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

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Stories abound about Orban and friends misappropriating EU funds. Surely it's in his best interest to stay, if that's the case? Perhaps there are genuine reasons for leaving, perhaps it's a ploy to keep the funding? Germany will be suddenly more exposed to outside pressure if Hungary leaves. I suspect posturing.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Aug 21 8.52pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Surely those EU nationals have settlement status, otherwise not sure they can qualify.

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Edited by Spiderman (25 Aug 2021 7.41pm)

They aren't even EU nationals. They are the family members of EU nationals who have been granted settled status under the EUSS. Those family members are nationals from outside the EU but are being granted benefits that those whose family is British cannot avail. It's very complicated and so far is under the radar.

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 25 Aug 21 10.27pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I didn't challenge the point about Orban being the instigator in Hungary, only the idea that it was the voters who drove it here when it wasn't. It was the minority who supported UKIP who drove it, installing fear in Central Office that the Tory Party could implode.

Don't anyone fool themselves into believing, as some would have you believe, that Brexit was the result of a popular uprising against the EU. It was a car crash of epic proportions, the damage from which we are only just beginning to see. We will be lucky to avoid the wheels coming off completely.

I could tell you a story, from personal experience, about just how ridiculous it is in practice. A situation where EU nationals living in the UK are now able to draw bigger benefits than UK citizens. All because of Brexit and the EUSS.

Call me stupid, but I thought this so called "minority who supported UKIP" were voters, and that Brexit was voted for by, er... voters???? Maybe I misunderstand what you mean. But what you wrote is confusing, to say the least.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 25 Aug 21 11.31pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's amazing how so many people live in an alternative reality to the real world.

Brexit wasn't forced by the voters on anyone. It just scraped over the line via a contaminated process in which the voters were used by the unscrupulous, aided and abetted by the miscalculations of Cameron, the fears of Central Office and the fecklessness of Corbyn.

The consequences of which are now coming into plain sight with steeply rising prices and empty shelves.

Hopefully the people of Hungary will have more sense. Dumping Orban in the process to become a modern progressive state would be a bonus.


Bulls***. I work for a supermarket. No prices have risen steeply since January 2020 and no shelves are empty. I think it's you that's living in an alternative reality, pal.

 


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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Banging cocktail waitresses two at... 25 Aug 21 11.35pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Call me stupid, but I thought this so called "minority who supported UKIP" were voters, and that Brexit was voted for by, er... voters???? Maybe I misunderstand what you mean. But what you wrote is confusing, to say the least.

I think he means the 'wrong type' of voters.

 


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