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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 01 Sep 21 7.27pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I think there may come a day when this is seen as the "steal of the window". I have yet to speak to a Watford supporter who isn't gutted that he left. Hughes is the sort of bread and butter, unspectacular "glue" player that really good clubs rely on; the sort who doesn't get the headlines and you only notice when he's not there. But then, boy do you notice him. Think Martin Hinshelwood if you're a long-term Palace fan.

Dare I mention PV's teammate Ray Parlour in this context?

 

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View Eagle Black.'s Profile Eagle Black. Flag South Croydon 01 Sep 21 7.44pm Send a Private Message to Eagle Black. Add Eagle Black. as a friend

I remember Hughes scoring a cracker at Anfield for Watford few years ago.

He's a top player.

 

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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 01 Sep 21 9.34pm Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

Smashing signing and a lot of people are going to be surprised how good he is. He is a better player than Jairo, Kouyate and Luka.

You have zero way of knowing that. In my opinion, an in-form Luka wipes the floor with Hughes.

My opinion is just as valid as yours.

So there.

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 01 Sep 21 10.17pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

You have zero way of knowing that. In my opinion, an in-form Luka wipes the floor with Hughes.

My opinion is just as valid as yours.

So there.

Well if he's seen both Hughes and Luka play - and he obviously has - then he pretty clearly has a way of knowing that, and at least a right to his opinion. Not saying his opinion is any more or less valid than anyone else's, but it's pointless saying he has zero way of knowing that when he does. For the record, I agree with him. As for an in-form Luka being better than Hughes, when was the last time we saw an in-form Luka for any serious run of games? I mean, George Best is better than Hughes but right now, probably not.

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 01 Sep 21 10.19pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I think there may come a day when this is seen as the "steal of the window". I have yet to speak to a Watford supporter who isn't gutted that he left. Hughes is the sort of bread and butter, unspectacular "glue" player that really good clubs rely on; the sort who doesn't get the headlines and you only notice when he's not there. But then, boy do you notice him. Think Martin Hinshelwood if you're a long-term Palace fan.

As for Sissoko, I'd much rather have Hughes personally. Sissoko had a ten-minute spectacular period before signing for Spurs for a huge wedge and has done relatively little since to live up to the fee. He's the sort who's absolutely dominant when motivated and could be world-class if he had a mindset like Ronaldo but he doesn't and he isn't. He's motivated for a month or two once every couple of years. With Hughes, you get 80% of Sissoko's ability 100% of the time. With Sissoko, you get 60% of Sissoko's ability 40% of the time. The only place Sissoko is better than Hughes is on paper.

This is an excellent explanation of a very important point when it comes to to assessing footballers (or anyone else for that matter): It's not about what you can do, it's about what you do.

I've heard it described as 'The lie of potential' or something like that - a disproportionate fixation on what seems to be the upper limit of a persons ability rather than their output.

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 02 Sep 21 7.29am Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt


This is an excellent explanation of a very important point when it comes to to assessing footballers (or anyone else for that matter): It's not about what you can do, it's about what you do.

I've heard it described as 'The lie of potential' or something like that - a disproportionate fixation on what seems to be the upper limit of a persons ability rather than their output.

Put another way, the meaning of the word "potential" is essentially someone who's never delivered. Hear the word applied to a player and you'd do well to run a mile. No one talks about Ronaldo's potential. Or Lukaku's potential. Or Kane's potential. They don't have to. But players who have underachieved time and time again, they're the ones we're told have "potential". In other words, potential = wasted talent.

 


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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 02 Sep 21 7.50am Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

You have zero way of knowing that. In my opinion, an in-form Luka wipes the floor with Hughes.

My opinion is just as valid as yours.

So there.

As we are distributing the ball through the centre backs or going long now, the pressure will be off Luka this season.

In the last couple of years we tried to play everything through him. It's not his strong point and the team were so static to the formation there weren't any options.

We hung him out to dry on many occasions.

I think he'll have a much better season this year.

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 02 Sep 21 8.43am Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Well if he's seen both Hughes and Luka play - and he obviously has - then he pretty clearly has a way of knowing that, and at least a right to his opinion. Not saying his opinion is any more or less valid than anyone else's, but it's pointless saying he has zero way of knowing that when he does. For the record, I agree with him. As for an in-form Luka being better than Hughes, when was the last time we saw an in-form Luka for any serious run of games? I mean, George Best is better than Hughes but right now, probably not.

Thanks for this Syd. I was pretty much going to write the same message to him myself.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 02 Sep 21 9.35am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I think there may come a day when this is seen as the "steal of the window". I have yet to speak to a Watford supporter who isn't gutted that he left. Hughes is the sort of bread and butter, unspectacular "glue" player that really good clubs rely on; the sort who doesn't get the headlines and you only notice when he's not there. But then, boy do you notice him. Think Martin Hinshelwood if you're a long-term Palace fan.

As for Sissoko, I'd much rather have Hughes personally. Sissoko had a ten-minute spectacular period before signing for Spurs for a huge wedge and has done relatively little since to live up to the fee. He's the sort who's absolutely dominant when motivated and could be world-class if he had a mindset like Ronaldo but he doesn't and he isn't. He's motivated for a month or two once every couple of years. With Hughes, you get 80% of Sissoko's ability 100% of the time. With Sissoko, you get 60% of Sissoko's ability 40% of the time. The only place Sissoko is better than Hughes is on paper.

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In Hughes, we have a dedicated hard working player, who if history repeats itself will be available all season. Which is really important considering Macca is getting older, and missed a lot of last season through injury.

Watford have brought Sissoko in as a bit of a stop gap, whilst they figure out the long term. He'll likely start ok, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's not in the team come the end of the season.


 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 02 Sep 21 9.44am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Good Macca replacement.

The lad has ability and was obtained at good value too.

 


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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 02 Sep 21 9.56am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

For me Hughes is a player well worth us having, Itís often hard to know what any criticism is really based on.
Some weeks ago there were people not liking the idea of having Gallagher, for me itís hard to know why if they had ever watched him regularly , but thatís how it is. Hughes , has never stopped being quality, all due respect to Watford, he needed this new challenge, in the hope he could move forward, as he was in danger of stagnating.
He does have things to prove letís hope he does that with us.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 02 Sep 21 10.18am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

For me Hughes is a player well worth us having, Itís often hard to know what any criticism is really based on.
Some weeks ago there were people not liking the idea of having Gallagher, for me itís hard to know why if they had ever watched him regularly , but thatís how it is. Hughes , has never stopped being quality, all due respect to Watford, he needed this new challenge, in the hope he could move forward, as he was in danger of stagnating.
He does have things to prove letís hope he does that with us.

From memory, it wasn't his ability people questioned, but the principal of not wanting to be Chelsea's blooding ground for young players.

 

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