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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 18 Sep 21 1.25pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

No need. My comments are statements of public fact.

Not they aren't, they are misrepresentations. They selectively ignore and highlight only what you wish to.

You don't give a rounded picture of the subjects you portray. You only want to demonise them.

I can easily and directly answer all of those points and in fact at some point I will in a later thread....I'll copy your post and directly answer it.

This thread should be about the channel crossings and the French response.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 18 Sep 21 1.27pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I was talking about the simple reality of mass immigration into this country, and it's effect on demographics.
I have not touched on the personal or social elements.
That was all your input.
I agree that it is not within our control of individuals, but public opinion affects voting patterns and these are conversations that need to be had and not suppressed by cancel culture snowflakes and those that wish to brand any self interest by White British people as racism.

The two are interlinked; they do not exist in isolation.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your stance I do not feel that public opinion moves the needle. Corporations and those with power have the ear and the twisted arm of politicians and so they do do whatever they feel lads to profit. Every move the public makes they are three steps ahead. Hence the result of Brexit is a country that's easier to bully by corporations and easing the way for more non EU immigration, cheap labour.

From the immigration angle, we could perhaps I suppose say that if the environmental situation worsens dramatically, there could at some point be a complete pulling up of the drawbridge, so that might in a roundabout way our of necessity achieve what you see as a preferable reality.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

The two are interlinked; they do not exist in isolation.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your stance I do not feel that public opinion moves the needle. Corporations and those with power have the ear and the twisted arm of politicians and so they do do whatever they feel lads to profit. Every move the public makes they are three steps ahead. Hence the result of Brexit is a country that's easier to bully by corporations and easing the way for more non EU immigration, cheap labour.

From the immigration angle, we could perhaps I suppose say that if the environmental situation worsens dramatically, there could at some point be a complete pulling up of the drawbridge, so that might in a roundabout way our of necessity achieve what you see as a preferable reality.

Yes I agree except that corporations are in the business of selling things to people and how they advertise their products is dependent on public perceptions. Now you see nauseating virtue signalling and exploitation of race issues to sell.
When public opinion changes, they adapt.

Of course, we all know that business is driving immigration. The big companies like cheap labour and plenty of work force to help achieve that. Your smaller businesses, often owned by immigrants, are happy to employ illegals and avoid paying tax.

I do agree that the reasons for slowing the flow of migrants, both illegal and legal, will be practical and not about heritage. That is just for sentimentalists like me to ponder.

 

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View kuge's Profile kuge Flag Peckham 18 Sep 21 1.44pm Send a Private Message to kuge Add kuge as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

True, but I'm stating that is the beginning and end of anyone real 'say' on the matter. As in, it is completely pointless obsessing over racial issues of people who are already as much a part of the country. I have mixed family, plenty of racially mixed mates, and I find the idea that someone would endlessly be thinking about their race in a negative way rather than who they actually are to be not far short of perverse. But for those in a bubble it's easier to do so. Same for those of other races with the same closed outlook.

kuge: I just say your reply. No worries!


Edited by BlueJay (18 Sep 2021 1.19pm)

I absolutely agree. It must be rare to the point of impossibility to live in Britain today and not know of or have within your family people from different ethnicities and cultures. That reflects my own family, as it does yours and of course, we recognise that to be beneficial. It is normal and day to day it is hardly be something that we notice. No doubt we will be told we are in a bubble. If that is so then itís a lovely bubble and I welcome everyone to come inside.

When we talk about Britain being multicultural it is so often forgotten that has always been the case. Scottish culture, Welsh culture, Irish culture, German culture, Italian culture, French culture were all part of making British culture. More recently Jamaican culture, Indian culture, and thousands of other cultures have further enriched us.


 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes I agree except that corporations are in the business of selling things to people and how they advertise their products is dependent on public perceptions. Now you see nauseating virtue signalling and exploitation of race issues to sell.
When public opinion changes, they adapt.

Of course, we all know that business is driving immigration. The big companies like cheap labour and plenty of work force to help achieve that. Your smaller businesses, often owned by immigrants, are happy to employ illegals and avoid paying tax.

I do agree that the reasons for slowing the flow of migrants, both illegal and legal, will be practical and not about heritage. That is just for sentimentalists like me to ponder.

I think you're more likely to be able to sell massive restrictions on immigration to (all) people on the grounds of a resource and climate emergency, and that the racial angle will never be able to get enough support to overcome corporations and the like, especially when it's a 50/50 type issue like Brexit anyway, with a very significant amount of people fine with how the country is racially.

The irony perhaps then becomes that many of the same people taking issue with immigration, politically also believe that climate concerns are nothing to particularly worry about. So that could make that angle tricky to push too. One could argue that it's in the interests of corporations to create a fragmented electorate on this front.


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 18 Sep 21 1.53pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by kuge

I absolutely agree. It must be rare to the point of impossibility to live in Britain today and not know of or have within your family people from different ethnicities and cultures. That reflects my own family, as it does yours and of course, we recognise that to be beneficial. It is normal and day to day it is hardly be something that we notice. No doubt we will be told we are in a bubble. If that is so then itís a lovely bubble and I welcome everyone to come inside.

When we talk about Britain being multicultural it is so often forgotten that has always been the case. Scottish culture, Welsh culture, Irish culture, German culture, Italian culture, French culture were all part of making British culture. More recently Jamaican culture, Indian culture, and thousands of other cultures have further enriched us.


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 18 Sep 21 2.01pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by kuge

I absolutely agree. It must be rare to the point of impossibility to live in Britain today and not know of or have within your family people from different ethnicities and cultures. That reflects my own family, as it does yours and of course, we recognise that to be beneficial. It is normal and day to day it is hardly be something that we notice. No doubt we will be told we are in a bubble. If that is so then itís a lovely bubble and I welcome everyone to come inside.

When we talk about Britain being multicultural it is so often forgotten that has always been the case. Scottish culture, Welsh culture, Irish culture, German culture, Italian culture, French culture were all part of making British culture. More recently Jamaican culture, Indian culture, and thousands of other cultures have further enriched us.


Yes, societies always change and of course the pace of it may change for various reasons so I can appreciate concerns there. I can in a sense understand certainly issues with multiculturalism where there is no integration, but we must see that smoothing that along is a two way street. If I was of a different race or background I would be well aware that I'd not be getting on in any meaning way with some in this thread for instance, and it certainly wouldn't be through lack of trying on my side.

So while I can appreciate that problems that can come through lack of integration or lack of interest in it, the idea that even a multi-ethnic society is a problem just goes too far in my view. The sum of contributions over the months basically paint someones who's non white, but British born like he's some kind of lottery winner, or special guest 'invited' to be part of 'our' country. That's clearly a ludicrous interpretation. And mixed race kids are met with confusion, like strays with no real home who are a political and social inconvenience. Seems like an unfortunate way to view others to me.

As I say, people can have their own take on immigration, or numbers and so on, but if the angle is always going to be of a 'white is right' kind of nature it's going to alienate so many people that it will never politically gain traction anyway. The climate and numbers angle would be a better way of cutting immigration in my view, where that is a persons aim.


 

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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

are you on drugs ?

No

 

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jeeagles Flag 18 Sep 21 3.07pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Jersey has its own Immigration and Custom, different to UK. Not quite sure how the crews of cross channel ferries has anything to do with Border Force, big recruitment campaign going on now. They are trying to recruit ex-Navy personnel, presumably as less training will be necessary.
Interesting that the French have now started to turn back migrants, why? We have threatened to withdraw our £54m pa funding. Money talks.
As an aside it is BORDER Force and in BRED. These illegal immigrants ( yes that is what they are) will do nothing for our gene pool. Imo

Edited by Spiderman (17 Sep 2021 6.48pm)

Edited by Spiderman (17 Sep 2021 7.00pm)

It does, but they often get support from the UK in these matters. If you look by my username, you'll see that there's a reason why I am picking up channel island news.

Recruiting ex naval personel would be the way to go, or perhaps fishermen looking for something that might be more stable. The point about ferries was related to the fact that like with HGV drivers, this is an industry the UK are struggling to recruit in. Maybe a poacher come game keeper style of requirement would allow us to recruit the RIB pilots to work for us?

Anyway, my view is that illegal immigration is bad for everyone involved and we need to come up with a sensible solution. However, doing that is difficult as the loud mouth racists generally start exploiting the situation.

There's one on this board, named after a Viking, who came over to the UK on a little boat to rape and pillage. He thinks that the illegal immigrants are going to dulite our gene pool. His counter argument to Hybrid vigour is that people tend to bread with their own, which totally opposes his own fear that the gene pool will be diluted.

He also fails to grasp that people in the country have the right to chose who we pro-create with. Or maybe Hrolf tue Mengele is worried that his life partner, Waynetta, might run off with a man who's capable of crossing two continents, whilst she's stuck with a guy who's unable to log off Crystal Palace support website all Friday night and Saturday morning.

He's currently claiming that a few people on here that have called him out are "his play things". Unfortunately, we've been out enjoying life and have just checked in to check the team news.

What odds would you give me on him posting on here to try and continue a scientific argument that was disproved 100 years ago, instead of concentrating on today's game.

We'll be relying on that incredibly talented immigrant from the Ivory Coast anyway, so I can't see how he enjoys the games.

 

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