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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 29 Sep 21 10.57am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

So NEXT are moaning about staff shortages and a lack of drivers, meaning staff may be laid off. Then they go on to say they knew this would happen with brexit.
British job for British workers ring a bell anyone!
Well excuse me but if you were so clever next; why not employ more staff 5 years ago.
Also hmg needs to start seriously questioning who needs welfare and handouts and get them off their lazy feckless arses. Yes many cannot work but a great many can. Poxed with the hand ringers constantly protecting those who shouldn't need it.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 29 Sep 21 11.28am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Hang on - Next should have employed people 5 years ago for when they needed them now?

Next would have gone bust very quickly if they had you making business decisions.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Sep 21 11.49am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So NEXT are moaning about staff shortages and a lack of drivers, meaning staff may be laid off. Then they go on to say they knew this would happen with brexit.
British job for British workers ring a bell anyone!
Well excuse me but if you were so clever next; why not employ more staff 5 years ago.
Also hmg needs to start seriously questioning who needs welfare and handouts and get them off their lazy feckless arses. Yes many cannot work but a great many can. Poxed with the hand ringers constantly protecting those who shouldn't need it.

Yup I saw that this morning and thought the same thing. You expected this to happen and did nothing. I think he was referring to the drivers more than store staff so why did they not sort this out a while ago?

I used to be a contingency planner I suggest NEXT employ one.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Sep 21 11.53am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Hang on - Next should have employed people 5 years ago for when they needed them now?

Next would have gone bust very quickly if they had you making business decisions.

Making plans and implementing are 2 different things. They should have anticipated this 5 years ago and looked at salaries, training and key staffing areas. They should have looked at where they are vulnerable e.g. drivers.

They should have started to implement these plans in the last year when it became obvious.

Very little sympathy for them or the supermarkets.

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 29 Sep 21 11.58am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Making plans and implementing are 2 different things. They should have anticipated this 5 years ago and looked at salaries, training and key staffing areas. They should have looked at where they are vulnerable e.g. drivers.

They should have started to implement these plans in the last year when it became obvious.

Very little sympathy for them or the supermarkets.

Businesses were left massively up in the air until the last minute with what the Brexit deal would look like.

You can do all the contingency planning you like based on worst case scenarios as all sensible large scale businesses do, but you can't start throwing money at salaries, training and key staffing areas for something that might not have transpired.

A lot of these businesses have very fragile supply chains relying on 'just in time' procedures and their profit margins per item are actually very slim - it's the volume they rely on to make their profit.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Sep 21 12.01pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Businesses were left massively up in the air until the last minute with what the Brexit deal would look like.

You can do all the contingency planning you like based on worst case scenarios as all sensible large scale businesses do, but you can't start throwing money at salaries, training and key staffing areas for something that might not have transpired.

A lot of these businesses have very fragile supply chains relying on 'just in time' procedures and their profit margins per item are actually very slim - it's the volume they rely on to make their profit.

Exactly no contingency so they should have looked at their business model. Whilst the details were not finalised it was quite clear from at least 2 years ago what the issues with the EU were.

As for staffing you identify your key staff and pay them accordingly. Next probably employ thousands of store staff but only a few hundred drivers. I wonder how many they have lost recently.

Edited by Badger11 (29 Sep 2021 12.03pm)

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 29 Sep 21 12.09pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

The same people who dismissed any concerns as Project Fear are now blaming companies for not planning for said concerns.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 29 Sep 21 12.15pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Exactly no contingency so they should have looked at their business model. Whilst the details were not finalised it was quite clear from at least 2 years ago what the issues with the EU were.

As for staffing you identify your key staff and pay them accordingly. Next probably employ thousands of store staff but only a few hundred drivers. I wonder how many they have lost recently.

Edited by Badger11 (29 Sep 2021 12.03pm)

What industry did you work in out of interest? It can't have been retail.

Retailers such as Next and supermarkets manage to keep their prices low by offshoring the large majority of their production and importing into the UK as it is much, much cheaper than producing it in the UK.

The rights and wrongs of that are quite rightly to be debated, but if you think a business like Next can rip up and replace its business model just like that by manufacturing everything they sell in the UK then that is just insane naivety.

Brexiters seems to wilfully ignore, or just be plain ignorant to, how businesses operate in the real world and the reason why people are able to enjoy an uninterrupted supply of cheap essentials. If you want this utopia of 'British jobs for British people making British goods' then fine, but by God are we going to pay for it in terms of businesses going bust, major job losses and prices going through the roof. As ever, it's the lowest paid in society that are most affected by this - job losses, price of the weekly shop going up, price of fuel going up etc.

Edited by DanH (29 Sep 2021 12.16pm)

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Sep 21 12.33pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Yup I saw that this morning and thought the same thing. You expected this to happen and did nothing. I think he was referring to the drivers more than store staff so why did they not sort this out a while ago?

I used to be a contingency planner I suggest NEXT employ one.

Thereís quite a few large businesses that donít like sticking their necks out to make a decision. Following the crowd is easier and safer. A bit like politicians and Covid.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 29 Sep 21 12.36pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So NEXT are moaning about staff shortages and a lack of drivers, meaning staff may be laid off. Then they go on to say they knew this would happen with brexit.
British job for British workers ring a bell anyone!
Well excuse me but if you were so clever next; why not employ more staff 5 years ago.
Also hmg needs to start seriously questioning who needs welfare and handouts and get them off their lazy feckless arses. Yes many cannot work but a great many can. Poxed with the hand ringers constantly protecting those who shouldn't need it.

My son has applied for many jobs in retail, has been unsuccessful as they insist on employing those with experience. So how does one get the experience?
Perhaps these companies could have started training programmes ( apprenticeship) to prepare for their apparent known job losses, so those like my son would have had enough experience to step in.


Edited by Spiderman (29 Sep 2021 12.40pm)

 

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View Orange1290's Profile Orange1290 Flag 29 Sep 21 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Orange1290 Add Orange1290 as a friend

Voting for 'brexit' to lose freedom of movement of people and goods has led to.......a shortage of people and goods, nothing whatsoever to do with 'brexit', priceless lol.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 29 Sep 21 12.42pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290

Voting for 'brexit' to lose freedom of movement of people and goods has led to.......a shortage of people and goods, nothing whatsoever to do with 'brexit', priceless lol.

I do not believe the shortage of people is as bad as they claim see my post above. A lack of training programmes and foresight on the part of the businesses

Edited by Spiderman (29 Sep 2021 12.45pm)

 

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