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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Sep 21 12.48pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

What industry did you work in out of interest? It can't have been retail.

Retailers such as Next and supermarkets manage to keep their prices low by offshoring the large majority of their production and importing into the UK as it is much, much cheaper than producing it in the UK.

The rights and wrongs of that are quite rightly to be debated, but if you think a business like Next can rip up and replace its business model just like that by manufacturing everything they sell in the UK then that is just insane naivety.

Brexiters seems to wilfully ignore, or just be plain ignorant to, how businesses operate in the real world and the reason why people are able to enjoy an uninterrupted supply of cheap essentials. If you want this utopia of 'British jobs for British people making British goods' then fine, but by God are we going to pay for it in terms of businesses going bust, major job losses and prices going through the roof. As ever, it's the lowest paid in society that are most affected by this - job losses, price of the weekly shop going up, price of fuel going up etc.

Edited by DanH (29 Sep 2021 12.16pm)

You sound like a Tory supporting low wages and cheap labour.

The issue here for Next is the small number of HGV drivers they use perhaps if they had invested in them and paid them a decent wage they would be laughing at their competitors now.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

You sound like a Tory supporting low wages and cheap labour.

The issue here for Next is the small number of HGV drivers they use perhaps if they had invested in them and paid them a decent wage they would be laughing at their competitors now.

Thatís why labels are extremely unhelpful. I largely believe in free markets and the most efficient use of capital. What we did was leave a large, frictionless free trade area that allowed for goods and people to flow without barriers. Leaving it was always going to cause issues like this to arise that only have pain in the short term.

 

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Originally posted by DanH

Thatís why labels are extremely unhelpful. I largely believe in free markets and the most efficient use of capital. What we did was leave a large, frictionless free trade area that allowed for goods and people to flow without barriers. Leaving it was always going to cause issues like this to arise that only have pain in the short term.

You said it. Many of us voted for a correction in the labour market and thatís what will happen. I find it funny that some remainers claim we didnít. The companies and governments have been getting away with poor treatment of workers and those WANTING work and this is where we are.

 


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Originally posted by DanH

Thatís why labels are extremely unhelpful. I largely believe in free markets and the most efficient use of capital. What we did was leave a large, frictionless free trade area that allowed for goods and people to flow without barriers. Leaving it was always going to cause issues like this to arise that only have pain in the short term.

So nothing to do with employing contract drivers then? Tesco, morrisons and other supermarket petrol stations have been OK with fuel. The same as said stores to a high degree. They employed direct labour as drivers and that's why. Not contractors on self employed status. Tax changes have caused some eu citizens to go home and you should know this danh. Your an accountant!

 

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You said it. Many of us voted for a correction in the labour market and thatís what will happen. I find it funny that some remainers claim we didnít. The companies and governments have been getting away with poor treatment of workers and those WANTING work and this is where we are.

And I donít have a problem with it as long as thereís no moaning from the same people about supply shortages, inflation or businesses going out of business in the short term.

You realise a lot of what we buy these days can also be bought from online retailers outside the U.K. and imported? Our businesses largely compete in a global market, not just a domestic one. No business will survive if they canít compete with their competitors on the price the market dictates. If they canít do that for a profit as their costs are too high they wonít survive.

Edited by DanH (29 Sep 2021 1.13pm)

 

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You said it. Many of us voted for a correction in the labour market and thatís what will happen. I find it funny that some remainers claim we didnít. The companies and governments have been getting away with poor treatment of workers and those WANTING work and this is where we are.

I genuinely don't recall hearing a jot about a correction in the labour market during the referendum campaigns - have you got any quotes or links to support this?

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I genuinely don't recall hearing a jot about a correction in the labour market during the referendum campaigns - have you got any quotes or links to support this?

Why do you think the north voted Brexit?

 


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Originally posted by DanH

And I donít have a problem with it as long as thereís no moaning from the same people about supply shortages, inflation or businesses going out of business in the short term.

You realise a lot of what we buy these days can also be bought from online retailers outside the U.K. and imported? Our businesses largely compete in a global market, not just a domestic one. No business will survive if they canít compete with their competitors on the price the market dictates. If they canít do that for a profit as their costs are too high they wonít survive.

Edited by DanH (29 Sep 2021 1.13pm)

So do you want better pay for workers or not?

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

So do you want better pay for workers or not?

Of course - but not at the cost of making businesses unsustainable so that they fail.

 

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Originally posted by DanH

Of course - but not at the cost of making businesses unsustainable so that they fail.

Youíre sounding like a labour politician. Always complaining, never solving anything.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Youíre sounding like a labour politician. Always complaining, never solving anything.

Where am I complaining? Just trying to add a dose of reality to how things actually work in the real world.

Quite often Ďsolvingí one problem just creates another problem elsewhere. Itís why being a politician is an impossible job and f*ck knows why anyone wants to do it.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

So nothing to do with employing contract drivers then? Tesco, morrisons and other supermarket petrol stations have been OK with fuel. The same as said stores to a high degree. They employed direct labour as drivers and that's why. Not contractors on self employed status. Tax changes have caused some eu citizens to go home and you should know this danh. Your an accountant!

Exactly. I have no idea about NEXT but if a firm that relied on importing goods for its business only employed non contract HGV staff or outsourced that job to some dodgy transport firm well they are asking for trouble.

 


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