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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 06 Oct 21 2.03pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

He still only joined us as a scholar and played for both the 18s and 23s with us - he is still someone you'd consider when looking at ROI of the academy.

We swept up Rak Sakyi from Chelsea at 16/17, exactly the same as Mitchell.

I think Rak-Sakis brother is at Chelsea Academy

 

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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 06 Oct 21 2.07pm Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

over time I'd like to think that the benefits are:

-being able to remain in Prem 2 will have academy playing to a higher level/making them better/more prepared to step into first-team football
-can attract better talent to the academy/retain top players
-talent pipeline for first team
revenue from selling unwanted players to other clubs

I would have thought that there are specific, measurable objectives and key performance indicators built into those areas.

 

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Originally posted by Spiderman

I think Rak-Sakis brother is at Chelsea Academy

Correct, and the better prospect by all accounts.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 06 Oct 21 2.22pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

over time I'd like to think that the benefits are:

-being able to remain in Prem 2 will have academy playing to a higher level/making them better/more prepared to step into first-team football
-can attract better talent to the academy/retain top players
-talent pipeline for first team
revenue from selling unwanted players to other clubs

I would have thought that there are specific, measurable objectives and key performance indicators built into those areas.

The revenue point is key - Chelsea have made an absolute fortune off their academy in the last few years;

Abraham
Tomori
Guehi
Ake
Lamptey
Livramento
Bate

They've also managed to get Mount, James, Christensen, Hudson-Odoi and now Loftus-Cheek (back on the scene) and Chalobah in and around the first team.

A certain Conor Gallagher will fetch a hell of a fee if they end up selling.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 06 Oct 21 2.30pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Chelsea have got a model that works pretty well. A lot were surprised then they let Livramento and Guehi go as they were both highly rated, but that in turn allowed them to get Lukaku. So it works for them.

They do also have deep enough pockets to hoover up anyone that can kick a ball. For all the Guehiís and Mountís that are good enough to play or sell, there will be hundreds of others that arenít.

Numbers game for them, and they will cast the net wide.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 06 Oct 21 10.35pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

It is interesting that Chelsea's current U23 squad is 12th in the league ahead of just Everton and Derby County but then most of their quality U23s are either in their first team squad or are on loan at other PL clubs or in the Championship. Gallagher is just 21. Can you imagine him or Gilmour playing on the U23s?

Chelsea have a track record of providing young players who are generally successful in their loan spells at PL and Championship clubs (and European one). For our academy to be profitable (and it will need to be to survive) we need to start producing players who can go on successful loans to at least Championship clubs where they can play in the shop window and either show they are potential PL players or are good enough to be bought by a Championship club.

 

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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 07 Oct 21 9.37am Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

It is interesting that Chelsea's current U23 squad is 12th in the league ahead of just Everton and Derby County but then most of their quality U23s are either in their first team squad or are on loan at other PL clubs or in the Championship. Gallagher is just 21. Can you imagine him or Gilmour playing on the U23s?

Chelsea have a track record of providing young players who are generally successful in their loan spells at PL and Championship clubs (and European one). For our academy to be profitable (and it will need to be to survive) we need to start producing players who can go on successful loans to at least Championship clubs where they can play in the shop window and either show they are potential PL players or are good enough to be bought by a Championship club.

you'd think that there will be staged commercial objectives to get to the point of profitability. Taking into account the investment in the set-up and time for academy products to go through the system and get to first-team age/ability, I'd say at least 5-years before you can assess whether it's a successful venture.

 

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View Omph's Profile Omph Flag Liverpool 07 Oct 21 12.58pm Send a Private Message to Omph Add Omph as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

It is interesting that Chelsea's current U23 squad is 12th in the league ahead of just Everton and Derby County but then most of their quality U23s are either in their first team squad or are on loan at other PL clubs or in the Championship. Gallagher is just 21. Can you imagine him or Gilmour playing on the U23s?

Chelsea have a track record of providing young players who are generally successful in their loan spells at PL and Championship clubs (and European one). For our academy to be profitable (and it will need to be to survive) we need to start producing players who can go on successful loans to at least Championship clubs where they can play in the shop window and either show they are potential PL players or are good enough to be bought by a Championship club.

Sounds about right to me

Chelsea is a very ambitious model to set ourselves against of course. The primary difference is that there it's simply a bonus if they get a first team player through from their academy. Our likely goal surely is to produce more home grown products for our own first team. Just 2/3 in a five year span who are first team players as opposed to squad fillers could be worth as much as 40 million - factoring in inflation.

Your point about loans is still perfectly valid mind. I'm interested to see how we progress here. There are currently around 7/8 who are in age group international squads and even allowing for some wastage that should/could mean 4 or so who are viable "commercial" prospects in the next couple of years.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 07 Oct 21 1.17pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I've learnt stuff from this thread.

Many excellent contributions.

I've certainly learnt just how important networked, good and discerning scouts can be for a club.

I've had a little window into how the best academies operate....fascinating stuff.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


London isn't the domain of fecking Man U.

Of course it is as that's where most of their support lives

 

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Of course it is as that's where most of their support lives

 


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Originally posted by Spiderman

I think Rak-Sakis brother is at Chelsea Academy

He is and there's another Olise in the pipeline too! Chelsea do seem to specialise in the family thing given that they're also on their second Chalaboah as well.


 

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