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View Helmet46's Profile Helmet46 Flag Croydon 08 Oct 21 6.32am Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Or it could just be a cynical move from the BMA to try to show the old we need more money,higher wages,more managers on the NHS.
Cute accounting from the inside out. The NHS management won't want efficiency to be seen. It's all about the money I reckon.
It was pre paid care, why not use it; that's the question that needs asking.

I cannot imagine that this was the NHS, more likely the Private places being tricky. Private hospitals aren’t there to get their hands dirty. They are there to take £000’s from the Insurer for doing a bit of work on your knee or some other specific body part. In and out. “We’ve replaced your knee, your insurer has paid us, now f**k off.”

They’re not there for emergencies - it’s why you get an amount per day back from your private health insurer, if you spend time in an NHS Hospital. Last thing your average private hospital wants to do is have long term sick patients or emergency stuff. It buggers the model up - too costly with too small returns, too risky for staff and too tricky to price.

So many companies now offer private health care as part of the employment package as it gets their staff looked at quickly and back to work. It’s lucrative for everyone. If you clog it up with emergencies or general treatment then waiting lists there will go up and employers may think twice about that cost if it doesn’t make as much difference. Private hospitals won’t want to damage the model as health insurance work has to be their major cash cow.

That there are so many consultants doing half a day NHS and four and a half private also hasn’t helped the NHS. (A sort of ‘I’m spending most of my time treating those that can afford to pay me to be treated rather than those who deserve, need or can’t afford it’). When they’re on the TV slagging off NHS funding or pay you never hear them mention how much they earn, on the side, from the private sector. (NOT nurses - Doctors and Consultants - to qualify that point).

The model remains broken. It’s only a matter of time (with this bloody Govt) before we see a “Thorpe Park” style fast track system coming into it one day - a sort of NHS/Private hybrid where you can pay more for quicker NHS care - just to really ram it home to the poor and increase the divide.

Just my opinion.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 Oct 21 7.41am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Or it could just be a cynical move from the BMA to try to show the old we need more money,higher wages,more managers on the NHS.
Cute accounting from the inside out. The NHS management won't want efficiency to be seen. It's all about the money I reckon.
It was pre paid care, why not use it; that's the question that needs asking.

Exactly the article was written by a doctor as I said I don't know if it is true but if it is it is shameful that people waiting for scans to see if they had cancer were denied this. If it is not true and the reason was that the private sector didn't have staff so couldn't do the job then whoever agreed that contract should be investigated.

Either way someone screwed up.

Edited by Badger11 (08 Oct 2021 7.42am)

 


One more point

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 08 Oct 21 9.23am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Private health companies are like the water privatisation.

Full of s**t.

It fact that's what has happened the product is full of it, after 60 billions have disappeared into share-holders pockets.

Once the lolly is no longer there, they disappear leaving the govt and taxpayers to pick up the mess.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 08 Oct 21 2.14pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Funny thing is, most of these private hospitals have the same doctor and consultants that are working in your local nhs hospital, they work private on their days off, private hospitals aren"t usually equipped for a full scale operation melt down, thats why its best to get the nhs. Only thing is, you could wait years for your nhs appointment under this government, but could wait days to go private! Decisions decisions.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 08 Oct 21 2.18pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Helmet46

I cannot imagine that this was the NHS, more likely the Private places being tricky. Private hospitals aren’t there to get their hands dirty. They are there to take £000’s from the Insurer for doing a bit of work on your knee or some other specific body part. In and out. “We’ve replaced your knee, your insurer has paid us, now f**k off.”

They’re not there for emergencies - it’s why you get an amount per day back from your private health insurer, if you spend time in an NHS Hospital. Last thing your average private hospital wants to do is have long term sick patients or emergency stuff. It buggers the model up - too costly with too small returns, too risky for staff and too tricky to price.

So many companies now offer private health care as part of the employment package as it gets their staff looked at quickly and back to work. It’s lucrative for everyone. If you clog it up with emergencies or general treatment then waiting lists there will go up and employers may think twice about that cost if it doesn’t make as much difference. Private hospitals won’t want to damage the model as health insurance work has to be their major cash cow.

That there are so many consultants doing half a day NHS and four and a half private also hasn’t helped the NHS. (A sort of ‘I’m spending most of my time treating those that can afford to pay me to be treated rather than those who deserve, need or can’t afford it’). When they’re on the TV slagging off NHS funding or pay you never hear them mention how much they earn, on the side, from the private sector. (NOT nurses - Doctors and Consultants - to qualify that point).

The model remains broken. It’s only a matter of time (with this bloody Govt) before we see a “Thorpe Park” style fast track system coming into it one day - a sort of NHS/Private hybrid where you can pay more for quicker NHS care - just to really ram it home to the poor and increase the divide.

Just my opinion.


Yes, indeed!

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 09 Oct 21 4.05am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Funny thing is, most of these private hospitals have the same doctor and consultants that are working in your local nhs hospital, they work private on their days off, private hospitals aren"t usually equipped for a full scale operation melt down, thats why its best to get the nhs. Only thing is, you could wait years for your nhs appointment under this government, but could wait days to go private! Decisions decisions.

Why shouldn't a doctor or consultant do both. As long as they do their contracted NHS hours then it's fine. If the NHS management aren't strong enough to tie them down to more hours whose fault is that; not the quacks!

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 09 Oct 21 5.14pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Why shouldn't a doctor or consultant do both. As long as they do their contracted NHS hours then it's fine. If the NHS management aren't strong enough to tie them down to more hours whose fault is that; not the quacks!

Why not indeed?-although tell that to the person at the back of the 5 million queue needing an urgent operation -without the plumbers wad in his/her pocket to go private! As for the nhs should pay them enough- you better ask bungle mate , he promised them a big pay rise after their heroic covid effort, only to deliver a pay cut after inflation! Mind you, they were stupid to believe bunble, he is a CON, who knew?

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 09 Oct 21 9.30pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Why not indeed?-although tell that to the person at the back of the 5 million queue needing an urgent operation -without the plumbers wad in his/her pocket to go private! As for the nhs should pay them enough- you better ask bungle mate , he promised them a big pay rise after their heroic covid effort, only to deliver a pay cut after inflation! Mind you, they were stupid to believe bunble, he is a CON, who knew?

Well said plumber doesn't have a wad like yourself but has got a JOB which has a perk of private health care. Why do nurses deserve a huge pay rise? They were doing their JOB that they accepted on certain Ts and Cs. Should've gone private!

 

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 09 Oct 21 9.46pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Why not indeed?-although tell that to the person at the back of the 5 million queue needing an urgent operation -without the plumbers wad in his/her pocket to go private! As for the nhs should pay them enough- you better ask bungle mate , he promised them a big pay rise after their heroic covid effort, only to deliver a pay cut after inflation! Mind you, they were stupid to believe bunble, he is a CON, who knew?

Excuse me…Please do show us where Boris ‘promised them a big pay rise’ ?!

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Well said plumber doesn't have a wad like yourself but has got a JOB which has a perk of private health care. Why do nurses deserve a huge pay rise? They were doing their JOB that they accepted on certain Ts and Cs. Should've gone private!

They took a risk mate, above and beyond the call of duty-and some took a bullet- lest we forget!

 

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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

Excuse me…Please do show us where Boris ‘promised them a big pay rise’ ?!

You are correct phil, they had mooted a 2,1% payrise , but that was only mooted! I must have got distracted by Boris giving his chief of staff a 40%, yes, 40% pay rise! Who"s more important, Domonic cummings or an NHS nurse?, you decide!

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 10 Oct 21 6.03am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

They took a risk mate, above and beyond the call of duty-and some took a bullet- lest we forget!

They could have just been unlucky as most didn't.
Yes the nurses did a good job and deserve lots of praise and thanks. But you cannot just throw money at them because they did their job. It isn't just a pay rise though as the pension supplement rises along with OT rates etc. 2% will eventually be 6%. 70 odd billion spent on helping people during covid, to me at least looks very generous. Adding more billions to reward people will get us even more in debt. This needs clawing back and rightly so. The burden is all of ours; not just the private sector or employees, it is everyone's problem.

 

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