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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 07 Oct 21 5.38pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by kuge

The population density argument as regards deaths is not supported by the data. There are many countries with a higher density of population with far lower numbers of fatalities.
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This chart shows us that the UK as of October 6, 2021, has a death rate of 2,018.76 per million and a population density of 272.9 people per Km2.

Compared to:
Bangladesh with just 166.17 deaths per million and a population density of 1265.04 people per Km2.
China with just 3.21 deaths per million and a population density of 147.67 people per Km2.
Nigeria with just 3.1 deaths per million and a population density of 209.58 people per Km2.
South Korea with just 166.17 deaths per million and a population density of 527.97 people per Km2.

The UK looks to have performed very badly. That is even before we consider the levels of health care available in these different countries.

Looking at a comparable nation in Europe
Germany’s 1120.74 deaths per million and a population density of 237.02 people per Km2
Again makes the UK look poor with nearly twice the deaths.

That's because you're judging the population density point out of context, which to be fair to me I provided within the same paragraph.

Like I had said, on its own it can never be the whole picture as it has to be combined with cultural practices and level of compliance.....also how well statistics are collected would also play its role within certain countries.

When you put all this together most countries tend to have the death rates that you would expect.

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 07 Oct 21 5.51pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

My parents parents worked,my parents worked,I worked, my kids all work. Do you see something there. We all had self respect.
Forget hmg being useless. There will always be work. Wanting to do it is actually nothing to do with hmg. 1 million vacancies and still no lefty will actually have the balls to say welfare takers are capable of doing some of those jobs. When there are no jobs I'm in your camp. Until then I beleive you have to make your life not get it given on a plate. Property will go up so get a longer mortgage, owning is a marathon not a sprint I'm afraid.

Yeah, we and ours were grafters mate. I can see real hardship over here for the future, even for people in work,even CONservative mp sir Peter Bottomley is moaning today he can"t get by-and he"s on £82 Grand ! Just saying, it might help if our great CON leader , bunter, acted a tad more statesmanly, to try and attract a little investment, just for the kids mate!

 

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View kuge's Profile kuge Flag Peckham 07 Oct 21 5.53pm Send a Private Message to kuge Add kuge as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

When you put all this together most countries tend to have the death rates that you would expect.

Yes, the UK has a death rate nearly double that of Germany which has a very similar population density and a comparable level of health care.

Your argument would put the difference in deaths purely down to compliance?

I think if you had asked someone pre pandemic what they though death rates would be comparing Bangladesh to the UK they would have likely said that the UK would perform better.

There are obviously other factors to consider, however, what is very clear the UK has performed badly. Exactly why this is might take some time to fully understand. The government will not be partially interested in having the evidence examined as it’s unlikely to let them off lightly.

Mr Johnson will just say something like, “time to move on, or people are tired of hearing about that”.

 

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Originally posted by croydon proud

Yeah, we and ours were grafters mate. I can see real hardship over here for the future, even for people in work,even CONservative mp sir Peter Bottomley is moaning today he can"t get by-and he"s on £82 Grand ! Just saying, it might help if our great CON leader , bunter, acted a tad more statesmanly, to try and attract a little investment, just for the kids mate!

I agree with him our MPs are hard working and selfless because they are paid so badly nobody wants to do the job just look at the next general election there wont be any candidates , oh wait....

 


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jeeagles Flag 07 Oct 21 6.10pm

Originally posted by kuge

The population density argument as regards deaths is not supported by the data. There are many countries with a higher density of population with far lower numbers of fatalities.
[Link]

This chart shows us that the UK as of October 6, 2021, has a death rate of 2,018.76 per million and a population density of 272.9 people per Km2.

Compared to:
Bangladesh with just 166.17 deaths per million and a population density of 1265.04 people per Km2.
China with just 3.21 deaths per million and a population density of 147.67 people per Km2.
Nigeria with just 3.1 deaths per million and a population density of 209.58 people per Km2.
South Korea with just 166.17 deaths per million and a population density of 527.97 people per Km2.

The UK looks to have performed very badly. That is even before we consider the levels of health care available in these different countries.

Looking at a comparable nation in Europe
Germany’s 1120.74 deaths per million and a population density of 237.02 people per Km2
Again makes the UK look poor with nearly twice the deaths.

I'm not going to claim we've covered ourselves in glory. Buy there a are far more factors at play than just population density.

Our free at the point of care health care system might not be as effective as other private systems in the world. Reporting on testing within 28 days of a positive test might be a bit sharper here than other places. Existing obesity rates and poor fitness levels in the population. Having an larger elderly population. Different weather conditions, etc etc

Some externalities of being a more prosperous nation might hit us harder than poorer nations. In other ways we might be better protected.

Given all the variables. It's going to be years until we can objectively assess this and come up with a standard measurement to qualitify what country performed best.

On top of that you'd have to assess the long term implications of lock down on the population. Impacts of Covid belly inactivity. Adverse affects of the development of the young.

Chuck enough metrics at it and the data will all be totally worthless - except to those who'd like a good debate.

No one really knows the truth yet.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 07 Oct 21 6.18pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I agree with him our MPs are hard working and selfless because they are paid so badly nobody wants to do the job just look at the next general election there wont be any candidates , oh wait....

Wait indeed Badger, wait indeed!

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 07 Oct 21 6.39pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by kuge

Yes, the UK has a death rate nearly double that of Germany which has a very similar population density and a comparable level of health care.

Your argument would put the difference in deaths purely down to compliance?

I think if you had asked someone pre pandemic what they though death rates would be comparing Bangladesh to the UK they would have likely said that the UK would perform better.

There are obviously other factors to consider, however, what is very clear the UK has performed badly. Exactly why this is might take some time to fully understand. The government will not be partially interested in having the evidence examined as it’s unlikely to let them off lightly.

Mr Johnson will just say something like, “time to move on, or people are tired of hearing about that”.

Yes, compliance, density and methods of recording statistics, probably other factors but I'm no expert.

You may think the UK has performed badly but personally I'm more inclined to the view that there is an inflated opinion more contagious than the virus over how much a government can affect these statistics once density and compliance factors are taken in.

Of course they can destroy their economies finding out.....which is basically what has happened. Save some boomers while you place future generations into ever more heavier chains. It's always easier to have concern for the tragedy you see while it's far easier to ignore the far larger one being created.

Forgive my cynicism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Oct 2021 7.46pm)

 


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The private sector pulled out all the stops during the pandemic:-

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Privatisation is a clapped-out model.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 Oct 21 7.26pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The private sector pulled out all the stops during the pandemic:-

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Privatisation is a clapped-out model.

Interesting I saw an article recently that said NHS staff were refusing (political reasons) to refer patients to private hospitals even though they had the capacity and the treatment had been paid for. I don't know what the truth is but somebody needs to get their act together.

 


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Originally posted by steeleye20

The private sector pulled out all the stops during the pandemic:-

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Privatisation is a clapped-out model.

If the figures are there to show vfm and quality through renationalising all these private (former state) businesses I'm up for a read. Until then it's really just a political wet dream!

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

Interesting I saw an article recently that said NHS staff were refusing (political reasons) to refer patients to private hospitals even though they had the capacity and the treatment had been paid for. I don't know what the truth is but somebody needs to get their act together.

Haha - no Daily Mail link there, then.

I am sorry Mr. S, but I can't refer you.

But Doctor, why not?

I am afraid to say that, from our records, it appears you are not a liberal democrat.


 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Haha - no Daily Mail link there, then.

I am sorry Mr. S, but I can't refer you.

But Doctor, why not?

I am afraid to say that, from our records, it appears you are not a liberal democrat.


Or it could just be a cynical move from the BMA to try to show the old we need more money,higher wages,more managers on the NHS.
Cute accounting from the inside out. The NHS management won't want efficiency to be seen. It's all about the money I reckon.
It was pre paid care, why not use it; that's the question that needs asking.

 

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