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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 10 Oct 21 6.12am Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

They could have just been unlucky as most didn't.
Yes the nurses did a good job and deserve lots of praise and thanks. But you cannot just throw money at them because they did their job. It isn't just a pay rise though as the pension supplement rises along with OT rates etc. 2% will eventually be 6%. 70 odd billion spent on helping people during covid, to me at least looks very generous. Adding more billions to reward people will get us even more in debt. This needs clawing back and rightly so. The burden is all of ours; not just the private sector or employees, it is everyone's problem.

Maybe look at the 14 billion pounds disappeared in the PPE money to Bungles friends and cronies, one was a pet food manufacturer!

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 10 Oct 21 7.08am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Maybe look at the 14 billion pounds disappeared in the PPE money to Bungles friends and cronies, one was a pet food manufacturer!

What and no one took the piss at our level. How about those getting pilloried by yourself. When this is investigated I'm sure that mistakes were made but there was not the time for real due diligence. If fraud happened it costs all of us but c19 has and is a very exceptional once in a 100 year event. To any family who had a loved one saved I'm sure they don't really care how much it costs.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Online Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Oct 21 1.46pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I expect the PPE corruption will eventually come out. It usually does in the end. First, Covid needs to disappear and then the security services will find their people. There'll be the odd case, the odd sex scandal (Williamson anyone?), and the classic car accident or unusual death in embarrassing circumstances.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 11 Oct 21 7.54am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

What and no one took the piss at our level. How about those getting pilloried by yourself. When this is investigated I'm sure that mistakes were made but there was not the time for real due diligence. If fraud happened it costs all of us but c19 has and is a very exceptional once in a 100 year event. To any family who had a loved one saved I'm sure they don't really care how much it costs.

I think you make a fair argument in that whoever was leading would've likely taken advantage of this (to varying degrees anyway). It is telling though (and not a mistake), that at the start of a pandemic where there was no real knowledge of how horrendous or otherwise this would be, that our politicians first thoughts were not for the general public but instead how much easy money they could make.

If they do that at a time of peril, imagine what they're up to day in, day out.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

What and no one took the piss at our level. How about those getting pilloried by yourself. When this is investigated I'm sure that mistakes were made but there was not the time for real due diligence. If fraud happened it costs all of us but c19 has and is a very exceptional once in a 100 year event. To any family who had a loved one saved I'm sure they don't really care how much it costs.


There will be many families who will have lost loved ones that this money wasted, could have saved.

 


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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Online Flag Crowborough 11 Oct 21 11.38am Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

You are correct phil, they had mooted a 2,1% payrise , but that was only mooted! I must have got distracted by Boris giving his chief of staff a 40%, yes, 40% pay rise! Who"s more important, Domonic cummings or an NHS nurse?, you decide!

Thank you for confirming that you ‘mis-spoke’ croydon proud.

I like to remain open minded and neutral in terms of the Politics of this Country, hence my noticeable lack of participation in this News/Politics message board sub-section.

One thing I do take issue with though is when people invent facts or make things up purely to support their argument. It is not helpful and makes people a lot less likely to take notice of anything else that they say.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 11 Oct 21 12.16pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

What and no one took the piss at our level. How about those getting pilloried by yourself. When this is investigated I'm sure that mistakes were made but there was not the time for real due diligence. If fraud happened it costs all of us but c19 has and is a very exceptional once in a 100 year event. To any family who had a loved one saved I'm sure they don't really care how much it costs.

And I'm sure the hundreds of thousands who lost loved ones will care significantly how much time, resource and money was wasted through the deadly combination of complete incompetence and opportunistic greed.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 21 12.17pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

Excuse me…Please do show us where Boris ‘promised them a big pay rise’ ?!

Boris promised all student nurses £5,000 per year, tax-free, for each of their 3 years training in a triumphant press conference in Dec 2019. Many though aren't getting it because of "eligibility criteria" they quietly introduced, announced, in Feb 2020 when everyone had their eyes elsewhere.

He is as big a con man as any politician I have ever witnessed.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 11 Oct 21 12.25pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290


There will be many families who will have lost loved ones that this money wasted, could have saved.

That's the idea orange pick the negative to outweigh the positive. Is your life that sad that you aren't happy for the survivors! Politics is not perfect and nor is chance!

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 11 Oct 21 12.28pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

And I'm sure the hundreds of thousands who lost loved ones will care significantly how much time, resource and money was wasted through the deadly combination of complete incompetence and opportunistic greed.

70 odd billion wasn't enough then? And your lovely party would have saved everyone and we'd all be equally fecked ,emotionally,physically and financially about now.
Fairy stories are works of fiction.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

I think you make a fair argument in that whoever was leading would've likely taken advantage of this (to varying degrees anyway). It is telling though (and not a mistake), that at the start of a pandemic where there was no real knowledge of how horrendous or otherwise this would be, that our politicians first thoughts were not for the general public but instead how much easy money they could make.

If they do that at a time of peril, imagine what they're up to day in, day out.

Politicians are more like national supervisors and are a part of a global system where money has always sat at the top.....most people still think that everything is national and self contained when in truth that rarely occurs.

Money rules the system completely, you don't get to the top without kneeling at its altar as Corbyn found out.

When a global crises happens like this they just revert to whatever the consensus is....they even all copy each other and say 'build back better' for example.

There is safely in numbers....hide behind your experts, say 'yes' to the monied interests and the media won't turn against you as that would mean recognising their culpability as well.

 


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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Online Flag Crowborough 11 Oct 21 1.37pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Boris promised all student nurses £5,000 per year, tax-free, for each of their 3 years training in a triumphant press conference in Dec 2019. Many though aren't getting it because of "eligibility criteria" they quietly introduced, announced, in Feb 2020 when everyone had their eyes elsewhere.

I don’t care to comment Wisbech.

The one and ONLY point I specifically outlined for clarification or supporting evidence on was the claim made by croydon proud that ‘Boris had promised them (doctors) a big pay rise.’

At no time did the PM do such a thing.

If people are going to debate a topic then the participants should stick to the facts and not make false claims or fabricate things.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (11 Oct 2021 1.41pm)

 

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