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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 27 Oct 21 2.42pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

How are the players taking a knee pushing their views any more than you are by wearing a poppy?

He didnt say that, he said 'same as blm pushing their ideas onto others.' Keep up.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

I have sold poppy's for many years and am doing so again this year. I do not ask people to donate it is a personal choice I have never criticised James Maclean I think he's wrong but he should not be made to feel obligated to do so. Anyone that pushes the poppy agenda onto others is simply wrong the same as BLM pushing their views.

Edited by Badger11 (27 Oct 2021 1.58pm)

I agree that buying and wearing a poppy is a personal choice and it would be wrong to pressure anyone into doing so. Just as it would be wrong to force someone to kneel if they do not want to.

What has changed with poppies is that thirty years ago they were optional for people in public life, today it would be difficult to appear without one. Sport has in the past twenty years become a place for public displays of affinity. There are no photographs of footballers in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80 or even 90s wearing poppies. It just was not necessary for those generations.

De Kock has said that he does not wish to play if the team takes the knee. Itís his choice. What he has not said is why perhaps it is because he is a racist or perhaps because he thinks that racism is just not much of a problem so there is no point? The fact that he is putting his career on the line means that he is pretty serious about this issue, I think that he needs to clarify.

BLM does not own the action of taking the knee. They have been active in promoting it but it was to their invention. Just as the RBL does not own the idea of the poppy but they have been active in promoting and utilising it. Several other organisations around the world make and sell poppies toward slightly different aims to the RBL.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 27 Oct 21 3.03pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

He didnt say that, he said 'same as blm pushing their ideas onto others.' Keep up.

Great, in which case he has no issue with players taking a knee.

I deliberately haven't responded to your contributions so far because you lack the ability to have a sensible discussion - would prefer to keep it that way

cheers

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, you obviously think you can...unless you just believe whatever is said by anyone....but yeah, little point on that.

No....no one is asking me to kneel.....but this cricketer will lose his international career if he doesn't kneel won't he.

Which proves that this isn't about personal conscience....at least in this instance.

No, I think I can listen to what people say they're protesting about - do you think Harry Kane is saying one thing and really he's secretly pursuing the defunding of the police or what? C'mon.

Marcos Alonso came out weeks ago saying he wasn't going to kneel - how much backlash have you seen? Has his career ended? Has he been denied the right to play anywhere?

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Great, in which case he has no issue with players taking a knee.

I deliberately haven't responded to your contributions so far because you lack the ability to have a sensible discussion - would prefer to keep it that way

cheers

So, you don't want to raise your debating skills up to my level? that's fine i'll make allowances for you.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 27 Oct 21 4.17pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

No, I think I can listen to what people say they're protesting about - do you think Harry Kane is saying one thing and really he's secretly pursuing the defunding of the police or what? C'mon.

Marcos Alonso came out weeks ago saying he wasn't going to kneel - how much backlash have you seen? Has his career ended? Has he been denied the right to play anywhere?

I think when it comes to Premier league footballers they have a lot to defend and most of them probably don't think very deeply about politics over than what others tell them to think.....that's what I think. No different to when England's footballers did the Nazi salute in the thirties.....How much did most of them know or really care about it....most successful footballers aren't that contrary.

I think it's a fair point on Marcos Alonso, however this isn't happening with Quinton de Kock and my criticisms are mainly related to those defending the backlash he is getting.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Oct 2021 4.19pm)

 


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Originally posted by kuge

Taking the knee is not political, the players taking a knee have said that they are doing it to highlight racism in society. The origin of the action was outside of politics. If you want to consider it political then you must concede that all actions are in some way political and that therefore wearing a poppy is political.

All political parties other than the extremists oppose racism.

Martin Luther King started it I believe. Not political!

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

How are the players taking a knee pushing their views any more than you are by wearing a poppy?

Not what I said.

I said I don't like people pushing their opinions on others whether it is buying a poppy or taking the knee. It is the pushing I disagree with.

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 27 Oct 21 5.12pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Not what I said.

I said I don't like people pushing their opinions on others whether it is buying a poppy or taking the knee. It is the pushing I disagree with.

Fair enough, apologies if I misread it in that case

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Oct 21 5.38pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by kuge

I agree that buying and wearing a poppy is a personal choice and it would be wrong to pressure anyone into doing so. Just as it would be wrong to force someone to kneel if they do not want to.

What has changed with poppies is that thirty years ago they were optional for people in public life, today it would be difficult to appear without one. Sport has in the past twenty years become a place for public displays of affinity. There are no photographs of footballers in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80 or even 90s wearing poppies. It just was not necessary for those generations.

De Kock has said that he does not wish to play if the team takes the knee. Itís his choice. What he has not said is why perhaps it is because he is a racist or perhaps because he thinks that racism is just not much of a problem so there is no point? The fact that he is putting his career on the line means that he is pretty serious about this issue, I think that he needs to clarify.

BLM does not own the action of taking the knee. They have been active in promoting it but it was to their invention. Just as the RBL does not own the idea of the poppy but they have been active in promoting and utilising it. Several other organisations around the world make and sell poppies toward slightly different aims to the RBL.

Perhaps he does not want to be told what to do in a supposedly free country. No one should be forced to make a gesture for any cause for any reason. It seems that you are only allowed an opinion if it is the 'correct' one, or you lose your job. If that is what you are supporting, then own it.

Don't try and tell me this is about freedom and equality.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 28 Oct 21 10.28am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We have poppies once a year for a day.

I'm good with having anti racism day one day a year.I certainly don't need it every bloody day and Black history month on top. History is history.

The Black population of Britain is around 5% and yet you would think that it is nearer 50% if you watch the TV. When you try to distort reality and add 'Black' to a description, you will only achieve more division, not less.

The plight of immigrants is best served by quietly getting on with your life and trying to improve yourself, not complaining at every opportunity about how hard done by you are.

On the subject of Black History month, it appears to alienate other races that have settled in the UK, such as the Irish and Asians. These other races just get on with their lives, not screaming for attention all the time.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Oct 21 3.24pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

On the subject of Black History month, it appears to alienate other races that have settled in the UK, such as the Irish and Asians. These other races just get on with their lives, not screaming for attention all the time.

There is definitely a discrepancy in attitudes toward different races.
Black people feature in almost every TV advert to the point of being laughable, but that is about money.
We pander to Black people more than others because our culture has been inundated with stories of slavery, segregation and general mistreatment which have fashioned our attitudes despite being remote from us.
I also think that we are far too keen to listen to voices that are happy to play the victim rather than those who are not.

 

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