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Hang on.....The educational curriculum isn't a 'free speech' platform and never has been. It is about the state deciding what its young need to be taught to live productive lives. As a teacher I couldn't just teach my students whatever I liked. It isn't speaker's corner.


Mr free speech has a rethink
. Nonsense, there's a clear difference between saying that something isn't central to a topic, and wanting to make it illegal to mention in an appropriate class. Children have eyes so are clearly routinely going to bring up these issues, and you're saying you want to make that illegal to address. That's absurd. A relationship isn't taboo and this law today would be ridiculous and approach religious zealotry (perhaps send your kids at an Islamic school?). All children can and deserve to live 'productive lives' as adults, regardless of their sexuality.

Quote Also it's a non sequitur that because I agree with section 28 that this would mean that I'd have to have a set opinion for other areas.

That's a laugh. You've been seen to be more eager to implore people to display a nuanced and considered stance to a group firmly on the counterterrorism radar than the minorities many of them want rid of. The Patriot Alternative stuff and how eager you were for others to see them as a 'broad church' shows how upside down and warped your thinking is. They literally tell people not to co-operate with anti radicalisation programme 'Prevent' - which is par of the course for a group that has numerous supporters on record as saying they enjoy or even want to inflict harm on minorities - as well as cross over from National Action (themselves now prescribed after celebrating the murder of Jo Cox). But of course, you appear to have more time for their malignant offering than for others based on various benign traits (race, attraction etc)


You've said you have gay family members. On here recently you summed gay people up as 'non traditional lifestyle' making a choice against nature who should be removed from mention around children in school. Do you think that is a fair description of your gay family members? You also appear to have peppered the f*ggot slur in reference to gay people previously. Again, is that a fair conduct to your family? Or anyone?

On aspergers I can see that your take on the topic was 'poor and incapable parents offloading their responsibility on a label' 'labelling just costs the state money' 'everything is her kids conditions fault' 'excuse culture', 'some succeed but people with these conditions fill up our prisons'. Some of these comments were made directly towards your own sister and her child. The predictably cruel dismissal of those who fit your oft seen 'waste disposal bin of nature' mentality. Zero allegiance. So don't give me guff about how you have some kind of nuanced, considered take on minorities. It's cathartic cancerous takes across the board. Only when you personally have to deal with the same issue, does it get considered on the decent and human level that is already occupied by anyone with an ounce of empathy and fairness for others to begin with. Otherwise you reserve that side of thinking for your questionable politics.


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Originally posted by cryrst

What's worse, the n word at a black man or homophobic abuse at a gay man.

Neither is a particularly good idea. Neither is particularly legal when used to denigrate people. My suggestion is that neither are used here going forward.


Edited by BlueJay (18 Oct 2021 12.21am)

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay


Mr free speech has a rethink
. Nonsense, there's a clear difference between saying that something isn't central to a topic, and wanting to make it illegal to mention in an appropriate class. Children have eyes so are clearly routinely going to bring these issues, and you're saying you want to make it illegal to address. That's absurd. A relationship isn't taboo and such a law today would be ridiculous and approach religious zealotry (perhaps sent your kids at an Islamic school?). All children can and deserve to live 'productive lives' as adults, regardless of their sexuality.

I can only refer you back to my answer.

Also your points are ridiculous. At an appropriate age sexuality can be addressed, however my opinion is that far more harm than good has been introduced into classrooms since sex education was introduced.....promiscuous sex increased rather than decreased...directly in contrast to what was claimed at the time and lessons that promote alternative lifestyles as equal are directly lying to youth as statistics show.

If you don't like reality....tough.

Originally posted by BlueJay

That's a laugh. You've been seen to be more eager to implore people to display a nuanced and considered stance to a group firmly on the counterterrorism radar than the minorities many of them want rid of. The Patriot Alternative stuff and how eager you were for others to see them as a 'broad church' shows how upside down and warped your thinking is. They literally tell people not to co-operate with anti radicalisation programme 'Prevent' - which is par of the course for a group that has numerous supporters on record as saying they enjoy or even want to inflict harm on minorities - as well as cross over from National Action (themselves now prescribed after celebrating the murder of Jo Cox). But of course, you appear to have more time for their malignant offering than for others based on various benign traits (race, attraction etc)

You bring up PA totally out of the blue! Absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

Ok, anyone who is reading this guy's commentary on PA I urge you to listen to this video.....I believe the 'prevent' point is directly addressed in it actually.

The Times recently spent six months investigating Mark Collet and PA and conducted an interview with him before publishing. It was recorded by both and I listened to it the other day.

I recognise that there are problems with PA, however after listening to it make your own mind up as to whether this group are treated fairly by the Bluejays of the world.

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Originally posted by BlueJay

You've said you have gay family members. On here recently you summed gay people up as 'non traditional lifestyle' making a choice against nature who should be removed from mention around children in school. Do you think that is a fair description of your gay family members? You also appear to have peppered the f*ggot slur in reference to gay people previously. Again, is that a fair conduct to your family? Or anyone?

My attitudes within my family are known and I have a very healthy relationship with the members you seem obsessed with. You seem to think that all homosexuals think and feel the same.

Yes, I don't think homosexuality should be a part of young children's education.....sorry and all that. It's hardly the only change I would make.

Yeah, I have a sense of humour and if I want to use 'faggot' for comic affect when I like then I will. You are not required to like it.

You insist on talking about my family on here. Once again, I ask you not to talk about my family.

Originally posted by BlueJay

On aspergers I can see that your take on the topic was 'poor and incapable parents offloading their responsibility on a label' 'labelling just costs the state money' 'everything is her kids conditions fault' 'excuse culture', 'some succeed but people with these conditions fill up our prisons'. Some of these comments were made directly towards your own sister and her child. The predictably cruel dismissal of those who fit your oft seen 'waste disposal bin of nature' mentality. Zero allegiance. So don't give me guff about how you have some kind of nuanced, considered take on minorities. It's cathartic cancerous takes across the board. Only when you personally have to deal with the same issue, does it get considered on the decent and human level that is already occupied by anyone with an ounce of empathy and fairness for others to begin with. Otherwise you reserve that side of thinking for your questionable politics.

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Fecking stop talking about my family with your half cocked takes on situations you know next to nothing about.

You have soundbites and no idea of my attitudes towards this general area.

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Originally posted by BlueJay

Neither is a particularly good idea. Neither is particularly legal when used to denigrate people. My suggestion is that neither are used here going forward.


Edited by BlueJay (18 Oct 2021 12.21am)

How about talking about other people's family members?

Is that recommended going forward?

Shall we talk about your family on here?

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


You bring up PA totally out of the blue! Absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Oct 2021 12.56am)

PA is perfectly relevant to the point because your nuanced and embracing attitudes towards this underbelly is directly linked to why you have an uncommonly unfortunate attitudes towards minorities.

Please stop posting material that seeks to sanitise and support a group that has repeatedly come to the attention of authorities, is followed by an unusual number of people who were members of banned extremist groups, and has several supporters on record as saying that they want to physically do harm to minorities, or have served time. It's your own warped emotional outlook that finds that to be fine, rather than anyone elses. This site is not to be used as some kind of radicaliation tool and as this group is fairy likely to be banned in future, or to make the news for other unfortunate reasons it's not a good look for the site to be seen as legitimising it.

I can post supporting material about supporters of this group that borders on disturbing, but that in itself would draw further attention and at the end of the day this is a football site. I urge you ro someone else to remove the links to Mark Collets channel. The man is a far right neo nazi and his beliefs have no place here.

As for the 'family stuff, it you behave in a repugnant way to your own, yes I'll point that out. I don't much care of your opinion of it. It's idiotic to slag off your own blood on a public forum especially around issues of disability.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

PA is perfectly relevant to the point because your nuanced and embracing attitudes towards this underbelly is directly linked to why you have an uncommonly unfortunate attitudes towards minorities.

Please stop posting material that seeks to sanitise and support a group that has repeatedly come to the attention of authorities, is followed by an unusual number of people who were members of banned extremist groups, and has several supporters on record as saying that they want to physically do harm to minorities, or have served time. It's your own warped emotional outlook that finds that to be fine, rather than anyone elses. This site is not to be used as some kind of radicaliation tool and as this group is fairy likely to be banned in future, or to make the news for other unfortunate reasons it's not a good look for the site to be seen as legitimising it.

I can post supporting material about supporters of this group that borders on disturbing, but that in itself would draw further attention and at the end of the day this is a football site. I urge you ro someone else to remove the links to Mark Collets channel. The man is a far right neo nazi and his beliefs have no place here.

As for the 'family stuff, it you behave in a repugnant way to your own, yes I'll point that out. I don't much care of your opinion of it. It's idiotic to slag off your own blood on a public forum especially around issues of disability.

I had no desire to talk about PA, however you can't resist within the prism of attacking me.

Again, to anyone reading this guy's takes on PA, click on the link and make your own mind up as to whether his words are a fair reflection.

As for talking about my family, I have directly asked you to stop. You have no idea what you are talking about in any of the situations you mentioned.

You are quite capable of making your points without reference to my family. Indeed, if you talk about my family on these boards again I will report you for harassment.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Oct 2021 1.13am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How about talking about other people's family members?

Is that recommended going forward?

Shall we talk about your family on here?

You're more than welcome to comment on anything I've said on here about my family, which is precisely what I've done with you. I noticed that someone posted your name on here recently which I found rather perplexing and as I'm sure you realise I immediately came out strongly against that. Ultimately though I can only control my own contributions, no-one elses, not his, not yours.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

You're more than welcome to comment on anything I've said on here about my family, which is precisely what I've done with you. I noticed that someone posted your name on here recently which I found rather perplexing and as I'm sure you realise I immediately came out strongly against that. Ultimately though I can only control my own contributions, no-one elses, not his, not yours.

If you talk about my family again, I will link directly back to your post and it will be judged as whether it was a reasonable post or not. I would be amazed if this was recommended.

You used selected comments that are out of wider context with my views in a complex area and you also question relationships in my family with no knowledge of them....as if you know anything about them. Nothing you said comes even close to reflecting the close relationships within my family.

I have asked you to stop and I won't ask again.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Oct 2021 1.25am)

 


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Unfortunately you are very keyed into defending PA and creating nuance around them, imploring for them to be treated 'fairly' while displaying absolutely none of that with minority groups that said far right group attacks. Therefore it becomes difficult to not address something that essentially you endorse and appears to somewhat emotionally and politically resonate with you.

PA has concerning links to banned neo nazi groups, and support from several who actively encourage harm being done to minorities. I would expect it will eventually be banned and implore those here not to go down a rabbit hole of 'hearing out' neo nazis as I can't imagine it will lead you to anywhere positive in the longrun. Your take on them and largely positive attitude towards them is absolutely astounding; we're not talking about minor issues around the margins here. Still, there is a fine line between warning people, and inadvertently promoting them. With that in mind, what I will say is that if Sterling doesn't mention them or their leader again then neither will I.

Everything I've said is based on your replies on here. If you don't like it when people comment on your unfortunate views then simply don't make those statements. My post was to describe how your views of minorities are so out of sync with decency that you're nonplussed even when they relate to your own. You yourself have made that known. Utterly bewildering and not in any way out of context, just deeply sad.

As someone who keeps singing the praises of a far right group that is in the sights of the authorities, and when I stated that use of racial and gay slurs holds consequences, essentially targetted me by then intentionally using the worst gay slur in the very next message, you just prove my point really. You need to consider your own attacks on people more than any commentary I may have on your posts. Clearly this is no better than trying to get a rise by using the n word.


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Might I suggest that next time the pair of you simply go to bed a bit earlier?

This will save an inbox full of mod alerts in the morning.......and other board users having to read your personal ding-dongs.

Since no-one has actually broken any rules, no cards are being issued......... this time!

 


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Originally posted by BlueJay

Neither is a particularly good idea. Neither is particularly legal when used to denigrate people. My suggestion is that neither are used here going forward.


Edited by BlueJay (18 Oct 2021 12.21am)

It wasn't a general question put out there. It was in response to a poster insinuating racist abuse was the worst abuse possible.

 

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