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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I don't recall a violent, armed mob ever breaking into Parliament - if they did, and someone got shot, I wouldn't be even a little bit surprised.

I didn't claim they were 'out to murder' but at the best they were looking for trouble, at worst looking for violence - this was a long way from a non-violent or peaceful crowd - they might not have drawn for their guns but they did draw for bats, pieces of scaffolding and anything else they could get their hands on to inflict damage to people and property.


This 'they didn't shoot first so didn't plan on harming anyone' angle is a dreamt up elimination of the majority of the events that took place that day. Multiple pipe bombs were scattered around, which police were soon made aware of, so I would suggest that they had plenty of reason for concern already. Several officers were attacked and badly beaten trying to stop those entering the building (is this non violent? [Link] and throwing a fire extinguisher at someones head? ). The idea that this situation wasn't threatening, when a violent mob of people entered a government building with various weapons (guns, tasers) and restraints, while some stated that they intended to kill and hang those inside, is ludicrous.

They breached multiple layers of security in their path, and tried to gain access through a barricaded door to politicians in the chamber, who were justifiably escaping the area, with many in fear of their lives. And why wouldn't they since it's perfectly reasonable to assume that some of those there that day would've physically attacking them. That all of this shouldn't be deemed a dangerous or hostile act is of course absurd. By the logic stated, even if they'd have reached politicians (which clearly they almost did - and would've if allowed) and attacked them there would have apparently been no justification for doing much of anything about that anyway if not shots had been fired.

There is no getting away from the fact that anyone dying on that day was a tragedy and it's truly unfortunate that someone who was clearly brainwashed and tagging along with those behaving in more disturbing and terroristic ways was the person who paid the price. We can't remove the mob context behind it though as it is key to what happened that day. It's part of the reason many states have complicity of accomplice laws. There are certain situations it is very dangerous or very ill advised to put yourself in due to what is going on around you. It goes without saying that this was one of them.


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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don't recall a violent, armed mob ever breaking into Parliament - if they did, and someone got shot, I wouldn't be even a little bit surprised.

I didn't claim they were 'out to murder' but at the best they were looking for trouble, at worst looking for violence - this was a long way from a non-violent or peaceful crowd - they might not have drawn for their guns but they did draw for bats, pieces of scaffolding and anything else they could get their hands on to inflict damage to people and property.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 25 Oct 21 4.18pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

As I've stated anyone who was violent that day deserved the appropriate police action and I don't defend them. I also agree that no one should have been in that building. Most stayed outside and protested......the whole event was pointless and I suspect we haven't heard the full story, which I doubt is what I think the Democrats want to believe.

The fact remains that the vast majority of people weren't violent including the woman whose's life was ended.

The pipe bombs being referred to were placed at both republican and democrat headquarters the night before and so far there doesn't appear to be much information on who did it.

 


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The entire sorry episode was staged. The Washington Police unit involved in supposedly 'protecting' the building are tasked full time with this. Day, week, month, even year in and out.

The notion that this rag-tag group of protesters were able to breach the security cordon, which by rights should be amongst the most secure in the world, and make it past cops whose entire reason for being to stop this kind of thing happening beggars belief.

And what do these people do? Take selfies of themselves. They probably could not even believe it themselves. And many have been locked up in awful conditions ever since. They did not loot, they did not burn and they threatened nobody's life. Instead one of them, an unarmed veteran, is shot dead.

The reason similar would not happen to our Parliament is because our police would stop it happening. Just like those Washington Police are specifically there to do and who have successfully dealt with far bigger protests on numerous occasions.

The entire s***-show is a tragic farce.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

The entire sorry episode was staged. The Washington Police unit involved in supposedly 'protecting' the building are tasked full time with this. Day, week, month, even year in and out.

The notion that this rag-tag group of protesters were able to breach the security cordon, which by rights should be amongst the most secure in the world, and make it past cops whose entire reason for being to stop this kind of thing happening beggars belief.

And what do these people do? Take selfies of themselves. They probably could not even believe it themselves. And many have been locked up in awful conditions ever since. They did not loot, they did not burn and they threatened nobody's life. Instead one of them, an unarmed veteran, is shot dead.

The reason similar would not happen to our Parliament is because our police would stop it happening. Just like those Washington Police are specifically there to do and who have successfully dealt with far bigger protests on numerous occasions.

The entire s***-show is a tragic farce.

Who staged it and for what reason?

Who was in on it?

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Oct 21 10.48am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Who staged it and for what reason?

Who was in on it?

Ultimately the Capitol police are the responsibility of a Congress committee which is currently majority Democratic. I have no idea what went on that day or in the days before but I bet they escape censure.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Oct 2021 10.49am)

 


One more point

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 26 Oct 21 11.04am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Ultimately the Capitol police are the responsibility of a Congress committee which is currently majority Democratic. I have no idea what went on that day or in the days before but I bet they escape censure.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Oct 2021 10.49am)

Even if you're going to entertain that notion, then at best you can say the Capitol police allowed it to happen - that's still a big step from claiming the whole event is staged.

But ultimately, any level of common sense would tell you the capitol police would not allow nor encourage thousands of armed lunatics into the building - you just need to watch the footage of the clashes which took place over hours to see it's a nonsense

Unless the argument is now that the Capitol police allowed it, but ensured 140 of their officers suffered injury in the process and engaged in really violent clashes to make it look believable.


Completely illogical


 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Even if you're going to entertain that notion, then at best you can say the Capitol police allowed it to happen - that's still a big step from claiming the whole event is staged.

But ultimately, any level of common sense would tell you the capitol police would not allow nor encourage thousands of armed lunatics into the building - you just need to watch the footage of the clashes which took place over hours to see it's a nonsense

Unless the argument is now that the Capitol police allowed it, but ensured 140 of their officers suffered injury in the process and engaged in really violent clashes to make it look believable.


Completely illogical


It's more likey that between the Chief of Police and his bosses the Congress Committee they screwed up neither will want to take the blame.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

It's more likey that between the Chief of Police and his bosses the Congress Committee they screwed up neither will want to take the blame.

Right, but screwing up is completely different from something being staged.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Right, but screwing up is completely different from something being staged.

I never said it was staged. I don't know what happened I just wanted to point out that Congress is responsible for their own security so they should take some part of the blame my guess is that they will shift it to the police.

 


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I have been watching some footage since yesterday and yes there was more violence than I initially thought. None of that was acceptable.....however those who weren't violent simply don't deserve to be locked up let alone locked up in solitary confinement.

The Democrats were quite happy with rioting by their 'in-groups' for 18 months. They were fine with refusing to prosecute rioters and looters. Funny how they showed such concern for Police at the capitol (who protect them) when they have been selling the general Police out for years......so much for defund the police.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Oct 2021 1.04pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

State what I posted that was inaccurate.....be specific.

I state again, there is footage of the doors of the building being opened to the crowd.

I state again, arguments suggesting that shooting that woman was justified are also arguments that support the idea that everyone who entered that building deserved to be shot.

I state again, the once again repeated contention that this protest was responsible for the death of a Policeman has been proven fallacious. He even texted to a relative before his heart attack that he was ok.

Once again, the accusation that this crowd were out for murder has been made here. However, it is dismissed by the fact....the actual fact that not one shot was fired by these protesters despite them being armed.

Yet you think I'm the one who is embarrassing? As for the BBC....what a joke, from the moment the Republicans took office they were hard to distinguish from CNN.

As for the suicide you mention, people commit suicide everyday, no doubt numerous people at that protest also have. To connect them to one event needs evidence and what evidence is there that they wouldn't have committed suicide regardless?

I will also make the point that currently the Democrats hold 37 people in solidary confinement for January 6th.

I don't see the Republicans winning in 2024 but if they do there will be plenty of people going to jail, I can assure you of that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Oct 2021 10.49am)

The documentary on the Capitol riot wasn't made by the BBC. It was made by independent producers and broadcast in the UK by the BBC. It has also been seen around the world.

From everything you have written in this thread you cannot have watched it and I suggest you do so before making any more comments. If you have watched it and still believe these things, then your attitude stinks even more than I previously realised.

 

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