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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 04 Nov 21 4.53am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Rich people telling poorer people that they have to live with less.

Exactly. 12k for a heat pump which gets to 75% of the temperature of a gas boiler. Radiators at least 50% larger. How are they manufactured because no 'clean' energy is around which gets hot enough to melt steel. Oh wait, we will import them from China,Russia or India. That's certainly a way to feel better I'm sure. The sums don't add up.
Does anyone know that it takes 70 years for a wind turbine to repay the carbon footprint used to make it!
Must've forgotten to report that at COP.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 04 Nov 21 4.53am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Rich people telling poorer people that they have to live with less.

yep, another glorious photo opportunity for world leaders to suck each other off and show us how great they can be when elections are close.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 04 Nov 21 4.58am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Exactly. 12k for a heat pump which gets to 75% of the temperature of a gas boiler. Radiators at least 50% larger. How are they manufactured because no 'clean' energy is around which gets hot enough to melt steel. Oh wait, we will import them from China,Russia or India. That's certainly a way to feel better I'm sure. The sums don't add up.
Does anyone know that it takes 70 years for a wind turbine to repay the carbon footprint used to make it!
Must've forgotten to report that at COP.


More news on swerving meaningless targets. Carbon Credits.
Countries that pollute more, are able to buy carbon credits from less polluting countries, to off-set their polluting ways. (would go into meaningful detail, but got to go to work in a minute)

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 04 Nov 21 7.07am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Exactly. 12k for a heat pump which gets to 75% of the temperature of a gas boiler. Radiators at least 50% larger. How are they manufactured because no 'clean' energy is around which gets hot enough to melt steel. Oh wait, we will import them from China,Russia or India. That's certainly a way to feel better I'm sure. The sums don't add up.
Does anyone know that it takes 70 years for a wind turbine to repay the carbon footprint used to make it!
Must've forgotten to report that at COP.

Yes, the hate pump offers came across like a real gimmick, because the offer was limited to a small number of grants anyway and as you say the upfront cost isn't something that would appeal to the average person. No doubt in time prices will come down, but I won't be rushing to make the change.

I'm not sure that the windfarm stats pass the smell test though, when you consider that it's upfront carbon cost vs ongoing. They appear to be very efficient [Link] [Link] though nuclear narrowly tops them all whatever the other pros and cons of it may be.

We should always be looking to move beyond the outmoded and what will eventually look archaic, but as some rightly say it can't only come at a cost to joe public. Corporations have been making bank for decades due to not caring about the environment. Unfortunately for us 'shareholders' and corporations aren't often bothered about much other than their financials so the transition was never going to be straightforward.


 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 04 Nov 21 2.17pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Yes, the hate pump offers came across like a real gimmick, because the offer was limited to a small number of grants anyway and as you say the upfront cost isn't something that would appeal to the average person. No doubt in time prices will come down, but I won't be rushing to make the change.

I'm not sure that the windfarm stats pass the smell test though, when you consider that it's upfront carbon cost vs ongoing. They appear to be very efficient [Link] [Link] though nuclear narrowly tops them all whatever the other pros and cons of it may be.

We should always be looking to move beyond the outmoded and what will eventually look archaic, but as some rightly say it can't only come at a cost to joe public. Corporations have been making bank for decades due to not caring about the environment. Unfortunately for us 'shareholders' and corporations aren't often bothered about much other than their financials so the transition was never going to be straightforward.


If the turbine doesn't need parts or maintenance then yes but none will run without this so add up those spares and transport and the sum probably is about right.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 04 Nov 21 4.10pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

If the turbine doesn't need parts or maintenance then yes but none will run without this so add up those spares and transport and the sum probably is about right.

There is no way in any rational scenario that in needs to operate for 70 years to offset the Co2. I'm not saying it's a perfect solution, but is clearly much, much better than some technologies. We're making strides in the right direction, though have maybe been a bit too nuclear shy all things considered.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Nov 21 8.56am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

John Humphreys pointed out that trainers are made of non recyclable plastic I wonder how many pairs were in Glasgow the last few days.

Maybe Greta can start a campaign against Nike?

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 14 Nov 21 5.10am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

It's over. A final admission the planet is royally fooked. And COP26 was never going to be anything other than an insurmountable hurdle.
Sharma seems to see something positive,...
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But I see nothing tangible

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Nov 21 9.30am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

It's over. A final admission the planet is royally fooked. And COP26 was never going to be anything other than an insurmountable hurdle.
Sharma seems to see something positive,...
[Link]

But I see nothing tangible

Sadly self interest will always trump altruism.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 14 Nov 21 10.33am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

All that money spent.

In terms of doing anything it's always been about the technological developments, not waffle by politicians most of whom are about as honest as prison inmates.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 14 Nov 21 11.21am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

And yet, more politispeak.

COP26 President Alok Sharma says the last minute deal change to "phase down" coal is not a failure.

He tells BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "I wouldn’t describe what we did yesterday as a failure – it is a historic achievement. (BBC, website)


That's a FAIL then

No-one thought it would be anything else

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 14 Nov 21 11.23am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

It's over. A final admission the planet is royally fooked. And COP26 was never going to be anything other than an insurmountable hurdle.
Sharma seems to see something positive,...
[Link]

But I see nothing tangible

In principle getting together as nations to thrash these things out with a combination of arm twisting and incentives is a good, even necessary idea. In reality though change most often comes too late, as current self interest often holds away. Corporations especially will drag their feet until forced to do otherwise. It's a shame because many green and sustainable technologies actually now make much more sense now than the alternatives.

 

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