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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 18 Nov 21 10.11am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

For once I actually believe the Guardian who claim that the new rules on second jobs will only impact 10 MPs.

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Some of us predicted that they would weasel their way out of it, they really think the voters are stupid.

It appears to be so endemic that they can't bring themselves to bring in rules that substantively do anything about it. I had thought that claims of it being a conservative issue were just partisanship but if you see the numbers it's literally almost exclusively tories with second jobs and 'consultancy' roles, raking in millions.

Really though regardless of a persons politics this is terrible as it's a key elements of corporations having a voice that those casting a vote lack, and all that this then leads to. It's a shame that the other thread led to a tonne of 'but what about labour!' from some, as 1) evidentially this presently far more concentrated in one party 2) any changes brought in that clamp down on this impact all parties anyway so such distractions are counterproductive to a solution 3) the core of so many (almost all) problems in society realistically comes down to corporate influence and who's getting paid, so we should be laser focused on it rather than fob it off.


There are some strange ideas about ethics that we simply ignore if it's not 'our lot' (aka a bunch of politicians we align with who still don't give a monkeys toss about us). The PPI contract stuff was nothing short of despicable for instance - this dynamic writ large - and yet it was painted like some kind of made up scandal.

If anything solving problems like this are as important as who we vote for, as money and jobs for influence only seeks to silence the voice of the people and drain money by the billion from the tax payer without us getting much of anything to show for it.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 Nov 21 10.16am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

One thing I haven't seen yet is what is role the Unions play with Labour MPs?

Are Labour MP's sponsored by Unions, are they consultants? I'm not sure what the setup is but if they are being financially incentivised this is no different than a Tory being a consultant, both are wrong because they are lobbying.


 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 18 Nov 21 10.21am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

It appears to be so endemic that they can't bring themselves to bring in rules that substantively do anything about it. I had thought that claims of it being a conservative issue were just partisanship but if you see the numbers it's literally almost exclusively tories with second jobs and 'consultancy' roles, raking in millions.

Really though regardless of a persons politics this is terrible as it's a key elements of corporations having a voice that those casting a vote lack, and all that this then leads to. It's a shame that the other thread led to a tonne of 'but what about labour!' from some, as 1) evidentially this presently far more concentrated in one party 2) any changes brought in that clamp down on this impact all parties anyway so such distractions are counterproductive to a solution 3) the core of so many (almost all) problems in society realistically comes down to corporate influence and who's getting paid, so we should be laser focused on it rather than fob it off.


There are some strange ideas about ethics that we simply ignore if it's not 'our lot' (aka a bunch of politicians we align with who still don't give a monkeys toss about us). The PPI contract stuff was nothing short of despicable for instance - this dynamic writ large - and yet it was painted like some kind of made up scandal.

If anything solving problems like this are as important as who we vote for, as money and jobs for influence only seeks to silence the voice of the people and drain money by the billion from the tax payer without us getting much of anything to show for it.

Great post, and completely agree - I find many Tory-voters apathy to this, and indeed the PPE stuff, nothing short of disgraceful - to me, these issues should transcend your personal politics. This isn't being a bit wasteful, or making a wrong decision, it's overt, deliberate corruption, and no amount of whatabouttery is going to convince me I shouldn't be outraged by it.

And before someone tells me "they're all at it", it's simply not true on the same scale and quantity.


 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 18 Nov 21 10.23am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

One thing I haven't seen yet is what is role the Unions play with Labour MPs?

Are Labour MP's sponsored by Unions, are they consultants? I'm not sure what the setup is but if they are being financially incentivised this is no different than a Tory being a consultant, both are wrong because they are lobbying.


Good point. Any avenue of undue influence outside of voters should be scrutinised and acted upon. If there was any teeth to this standards rule change we might be on our way to achieving something like that across the board. From what you highlight though, it looks more like an exercise in tinkering around the edges to make the story go away.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Nov 21 10.33am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Great post, and completely agree - I find many Tory-voters apathy to this, and indeed the PPE stuff, nothing short of disgraceful - to me, these issues should transcend your personal politics. This isn't being a bit wasteful, or making a wrong decision, it's overt, deliberate corruption, and no amount of whatabouttery is going to convince me I shouldn't be outraged by it.

And before someone tells me "they're all at it", it's simply not true on the same scale and quantity.


The difference is that the Tories are in government, as usual. Labour have always been corrupt, and they just love spending your money.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The difference is that the Tories are in government, as usual. Labour have always been corrupt, and they just love spending your money.

This Tory government have spent more every year that they've been in power than any year that the last Labour government were in power.

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Everything you post is just based on lazy stereotypes with no independent thinking or research isn't it?

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 18 Nov 21 11.29am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

This Tory government have spent more every year that they've been in power than any year that the last Labour government were in power.

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Everything you post is just based on lazy stereotypes with no independent thinking or research isn't it?

It's the pointless whataboutism that I was highlighting. The type of behaviour that distracts from snouts in the trough, whoever they happen to be attached to at the time.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Nov 21 11.35am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

This Tory government have spent more every year that they've been in power than any year that the last Labour government were in power.

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Everything you post is just based on lazy stereotypes with no independent thinking or research isn't it?

And there is a good reason for that, as you know full well.
Frankly, I'm not interested in party politics.

I vote for the least worst option and sadly, there are only two viable choices, one of which is unelectable.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 18 Nov 21 12.01pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And there is a good reason for that, as you know full well.
Frankly, I'm not interested in party politics.

I vote for the least worst option and sadly, there are only two viable choices, one of which is unelectable.

Lazy soundbite bingo.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Lazy soundbite bingo.

The evidence says otherwise.

 

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Originally posted by DanH

This Tory government have spent more every year that they've been in power than any year that the last Labour government were in power.

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Everything you post is just based on lazy stereotypes with no independent thinking or research isn't it?

And a further 450bn was repaid by the banks during the Con years which makes it all the more wobbly.


 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 18 Nov 21 1.11pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And there is a good reason for that, as you know full well.
Frankly, I'm not interested in party politics

*but I'll endlessly solely prattle on about Labour anyway and make no meaningful or relevant contributions about the topic at hand.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Nov 2021 1.12pm)

 

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