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Originally posted by Orange1290


Not as quickly as they forgot about the young 20 year old Asian hero
who sacrificed his life to save an elderly white woman. No mention of any 'medals' for that guy by many on here. Still, as expected unfortunately.

Bingo!

 

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Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

Not really no, that statement is literally dripping with racist overtones.

I meant so much in that 'racism' hadn't been mentioned. If we're stating it in a more general sense then I'd say that Hrolf essentially labelling every Muslim as a 'potential terrorist' is far more in line with your critique.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm just wondering how many of these attacks need to happen before we start talking about how many Muslims in this country are radicalized, rather than being told that not all Muslims are terrorists.

There are apparently dozens of plots being foiled every year, and it is inevitable that some won't be.

When will we stop allowing potential terrorists into this country?


A framework to deal with radicalisation should encompass all forms of it that are a danger to society and national security. It's fair that it should be based on the number of plots foiled though certainly. Radicalised religious outlooks can be one of the paths to terror.

We can only work from where we are. I'd be absolutely fine with a strict immigration policy, as who can deny that certain cultural problems have come about, but at the end of the day for those already here we still all have to share the same land mass and appreciate that commonalities exist not solely differences. Labeling any muslim coming here as a 'potential terrorist' is minority report conduct that also tars any muslim already here as a 'potential terrorist'. Or any muslims on this forum as a 'potential terrorist'.

You're surely as much as a 'potential terrorist' as the average muslim, on account that it's a phrase that means little.

It's important not to sweepingly demonise decent people, that's exactly what actual terrorists want as it drives further wedges between people. But yes, by all means track every dark corner online and off for those on the wrong path or looking to radiicalise others.

Edited by BlueJay (15 Nov 2021 1.21pm)

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Or the difference in reaction to the deaths of David Amess and Jo Cox?

or the coverage of the death of Stephen Lawrence versus the other murdered bloke you never heard of, his name long forgotten, his profile not deserving of being in the news every week.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Nov 2021 2.03pm)

 


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Originally posted by BlueJay

A framework to deal with radicalisation should encompass all forms of it that are a danger to society and national security. It's fair that it should be based on the number of plots foiled though certainly. Radicalised religious outlooks can be one of the paths to terror.

We can only work from where we are. I'd be absolutely fine with a strict immigration policy, as who can deny that certain cultural problems have come about, but at the end of the day for those already here we still all have to share the same land mass and appreciate that commonalities exist not solely differences. Labeling any muslim coming here as a 'potential terrorist' is minority report conduct that also tars any muslim already here as a 'potential terrorist'. Or any muslims on this forum as a 'potential terrorist'.

You're as much as a 'potential terrorist' as the average muslim, on account that it's a phrase that means little.

It's important not to sweepingly demonise decent people, that's exactly what actual terrorists want as it drives further wedges between people.

Edited by BlueJay (15 Nov 2021 1.12pm)

You mean like 'Prevent'?

Not only is that run ideologically but it was always doomed to fail due to the consequences of social liberalism....Prior to it idealists insisted on multiculturalism and the identity and separatism that naturally flows from that....Well, that was the last nail in which was already a difficult cohesion coffin.

What we have now are the predicted chickens coming home to roost. If you actually look at the security numbers and the demographical projections lets just say that I'm glad I'm not someone engaged in trying to make it work......People should be held responsible for creating this situation instead of blaming others for its consequences. But the criminal never convicts themselves do they.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2021 1.23pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You mean like 'Prevent'?

Not only is that run ideologically but it was always doomed to fail due to the consequences of social liberalism....Prior to it idealists insisted on multiculturalism and the identity and separatism that naturally flows from that....Well, that was the last nail in which was already a difficult cohesion coffin.

What we have now are the predicted chickens coming home to roost. If you actually look at the security numbers and the demographical projections lets just say that I'm glad I'm not someone engaged in trying to make it work......People should be held responsible for creating this situation instead of blaming others for its consequences. But the criminal never convicts themselves do they.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2021 1.23pm)

Which according to the media is now focusing more on the right wing terror threat.

 


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Originally posted by BlueJay

A framework to deal with radicalisation should encompass all forms of it that are a danger to society and national security. It's fair that it should be based on the number of plots foiled though certainly. Radicalised religious outlooks can be one of the paths to terror.

We can only work from where we are. I'd be absolutely fine with a strict immigration policy, as who can deny that certain cultural problems have come about, but at the end of the day for those already here we still all have to share the same land mass and appreciate that commonalities exist not solely differences. Labeling any muslim coming here as a 'potential terrorist' is minority report conduct that also tars any muslim already here as a 'potential terrorist'. Or any muslims on this forum as a 'potential terrorist'.

You're surely as much as a 'potential terrorist' as the average muslim, on account that it's a phrase that means little.

It's important not to sweepingly demonise decent people, that's exactly what actual terrorists want as it drives further wedges between people.


Edited by BlueJay (15 Nov 2021 1.13pm)

Thats the only bit I take issue with, well not issue as such, more disagree.

If you are a Mormon ( to my knowledge at least) you're less likely to don a string vest wrapped to the nines in Semtex and nails, than say ohh I don't know, let's say for arguments sake a Muslim.

I'm no professor of probability theory, but if the Axioms could be applied to the mathematical Probability of which ever particular religions, (due to doctrine, etc) would be more the likely to produce fanatics, I'm fairly certain Islam would be in the top 1.

And whilst I am no believer in sweeping generalisations, to do with religious stereo typing, it is folly to ignore the evidence.

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

Which according to the media is now focusing more on the right wing terror threat.

Tells you just about everything you need to know.

 


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Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

Thats the only bit I take issue with, well not issue as such, more disagree.

If you are a Mormon ( to my knowledge at least) you're less likely to don a string vest wrapped to the nines in Semtex and nails, than say ohh I don't know, let's say for arguments sake a Muslim.

I'm no professor of probability theory, but if the Axioms could be applied to the mathematical Probability of which ever particular religions, (due to doctrine, etc) would be more the likely to produce fanatics, I'm fairly certain Islam would be in the top 1.

And whilst I am no believer in sweeping generalisations, to do with religious stereo typing, it is folly to ignore the evidence.

There's more than one way to skin a cat though as they say (or commit an act of terror). I wasn't implying that anyone is craving to put on a suicide vest or alternatively gun down those inside a mosque .. it was more a comment that while law enforcement weight logically has to be directed where most needed (radicalisation etc), given the population size the idea that every muslim is a 'potential terrorist' is vanishingly small and damaging to push, just as it is labelling anyone else in such a way.

Taken from a different angle, I would assume most rapists are men, most murderers are men etc, same with the majority of crimes.. but with that being the case I would hope that nobody would feel it reasonable to label each of us as 'potential rapists' or 'potential murderers'.

Edited by BlueJay (15 Nov 2021 1.50pm)

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

There's more than one way to skin a cat though as they say (or commit an act of terror). I wasn't implying that anyone is craving to put on a suicide vest or alternatively gun down those inside a mosque .. it was more a comment that while law enforcement weight logically has to be directed where most needed (radicalisation etc), given the population size the idea that every muslim is a 'potential terrorist' is vanishingly small and damaging to push, just as it is labelling anyone else in such a way.

Taken from a different angle, I would assume most rapists are men, most murderers are men etc, same with the majority of crimes.. but with that being the case I would hope that nobody would feel it reasonable to label each of us as 'potential rapists' or 'potential murderers'.

Edited by BlueJay (15 Nov 2021 1.50pm)

Much of this same rhetoric could be....well was said when referring to the Irish community in relation to the IRA.

Accepting that there is a difference between those willing to die for their ideals and those with varying degrees of sympathy or none at all....the reality is that this has always been a numbers game.....though game is an unfortunate word.

The fact that no one seems interested in history and definitely not learning from it is one of the problems that took us here.

The same end result of regional autonomy seems to me to the likely end result. A lot of people will wake up to that reality over the next twenty years when the demographics and balkanization reality becomes kind of unavoidable.

Still, the people responsible for creating and supporting the creation of it all will be long dead...and their ideological descendants will absurdly be pointing fingers at others for not prostrating themselves while their lands were taken away from them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2021 2.08pm)

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Which according to the media is now focusing more on the right wing terror threat.

Anybody have maybe any idea as to why there might be a right wing terror threat?

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Much of this same rhetoric could be....well was said when referring to the Irish community in relation to the IRA.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2021 2.08pm)

one of the comments above mentioned something along the lines of 'not letting the terrorist types into the country'. I assume he referred to muslim extremists ?

whereas in the case of Irish violent nationalist types, its not really so simple. Cos they were in their country before England even existed.....and then the English changed the maps & flags in Ireland.

so its less a case of 'not letting them in' as 'maybe the brits over-extended their empire'. Relevant to Tony Blair in the Middle East for sure. Surely Angry muslims here are the result of atrocities over in the hot countries ?

 


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