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View CPFC Dartford's Profile CPFC Dartford Flag Dartford 16 Dec 21 8.25am Send a Private Message to CPFC Dartford Add CPFC Dartford as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I don't know why there's so much negativity? The game ebbed and flowed as many PL games do, with us in the ascendency at times and at others Southampton. Of course there were issues, not least the way our midfield three left big spaces at times (one of which led to the Broja goal), but we are still very much a work in progress and this was only Gallagher, Hughes and Kouyate's second game playing together.

I have criticised Zaha lately but he worked hard for the team tonight and although he gave the ball away a few times he scored a good goal and should have had an assist but for Edouard mistiming his shot. He also provided Mitchell with cover by tracing Livramento's forages forward.

Speaking of which, I don't understand the negativity around Mitchell. The lad has among the best defensive stats not just in our team but the PL as a whole. He is now more composed on the ball and numerous times last night rather than panicking he simply turned his man and played the ball to a teammate. He's not as threatening going forward as PvA was, but by god he's a better defender.

Tomkins was injured and he carried on for too long in my view. He did well to get back at one point and prevent a goal-scoring opportunity, but several times he was seen hobbling and holding his thigh.

Butland didn't really do too much wrong but for a player making a rare start he obviously wasn't quite as in tune with his teammates. I don't think it's fair to judge him after one game.

We showed character last night to fight for that point and I think that'll be what pleases Vieira the most. Second half we were the better team and if we can just get a bit more composure in and around the 18-yard box we should start picking up more wins.

Perfectly summed up! And we moved above Brighton!

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 16 Dec 21 9.21am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I don't know why there's so much negativity? The game ebbed and flowed as many PL games do, with us in the ascendency at times and at others Southampton. Of course there were issues, not least the way our midfield three left big spaces at times (one of which led to the Broja goal), but we are still very much a work in progress and this was only Gallagher, Hughes and Kouyate's second game playing together.

I have criticised Zaha lately but he worked hard for the team tonight and although he gave the ball away a few times he scored a good goal and should have had an assist but for Edouard mistiming his shot. He also provided Mitchell with cover by tracing Livramento's forages forward.

Speaking of which, I don't understand the negativity around Mitchell. The lad has among the best defensive stats not just in our team but the PL as a whole. He is now more composed on the ball and numerous times last night rather than panicking he simply turned his man and played the ball to a teammate. He's not as threatening going forward as PvA was, but by god he's a better defender.

Tomkins was injured and he carried on for too long in my view. He did well to get back at one point and prevent a goal-scoring opportunity, but several times he was seen hobbling and holding his thigh.

Butland didn't really do too much wrong but for a player making a rare start he obviously wasn't quite as in tune with his teammates. I don't think it's fair to judge him after one game.

We showed character last night to fight for that point and I think that'll be what pleases Vieira the most. Second half we were the better team and if we can just get a bit more composure in and around the 18-yard box we should start picking up more wins.

It's rare that I agree with somebody else's post in it's entirety but this is one of them.

 


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View kennybrowns leftfoot's Profile kennybrowns leftfoot Flag Reigate 16 Dec 21 9.22am Send a Private Message to kennybrowns leftfoot Add kennybrowns leftfoot as a friend

Originally posted by CPFC Dartford

Perfectly summed up! And we moved above Brighton!

This ^^^^^ Normal service resumed!!!

 


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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 16 Dec 21 9.44am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

funny, I watched the Highlights on MOTD, and the game looked different from what you lot are describing.
We dominated the 1st 25 mins or so, got a goal, should have arguably got more. They then imposed themselves more, got a free kick (my first thought was that it was a free kick) Great free kick, nothing we could do. Immediately after CG got a taste of his own medicine and was pressed to a mistake, and again a quality finish. Can't fault Butland for either Goal.
The half finished with Momentum firmly with So'ton.
2nd half we battled, made a VERY positive change, and got something from the game.

for me, we were 'beaten' by 2 screamers. True, we shouldn't have allowed them the opportunity to shoot - On another day, it's unlikely that both go in.

 


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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 16 Dec 21 9.45am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Fair result in the end.

We dominated the first 15/20 but was pretty even and scrappy after that. If the game had gone on another 10 mins we qould ahve won it.

The 10 mins before half time were a bit of a mess, Butland and Tomkins going long all the time, and losing it almost every time. Granted Gallagher lost the ball, but Broja's goal came from another long ball clearance.

It felt like Viera told them to stop punting at half time as it stopped.

I know people get nervy when we pass it out from the back, but its 100 times better than punting it upfield and losing it every time.

IMO Butland was the main reason for the game being so scrappy last night. His natural inclination was to go long, and even when he had time, instead of looking for a quick pass he'd hold it until Southampton blocked his out balls and then force him to go long.

I don't think Guita's distribution is amazing, but its clear watching last night that Butland isn't used to that type of build up, and/or confident enough to give it to players under pressure.

Hopefully with VG and Anderson back on Saturday we'll get some control back.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 16 Dec 21 9.46am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot

This ^^^^^ Normal service resumed!!!

Seconded.

 

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View FinchleyEagle's Profile FinchleyEagle Flag 16 Dec 21 9.48am Send a Private Message to FinchleyEagle Add FinchleyEagle as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

It's rare that I agree with somebody else's post in it's entirety but this is one of them.

Seconded. Although Mitchell does need to up his distribution - too often it's given away or out of play. But I'm sure he will.

I see this all as a work in progress, and consistency is the hardest thing in football I'd say. The 'jigsaw' probably does not have the pieces in the right place yet, but there's a good chance we've seen more entertaining games so far this season that the whole of last year and probably more.

It may improve, it may not (this is Palace after all!) but full marks for trying to do what we all wanted, getting good players in and taking a (hopefully) calculated gamble on a coach with that attitude.

Enjoy it while it lasts I reckon.

 


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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 16 Dec 21 9.55am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Fair result in the end.

We dominated the first 15/20 but was pretty even and scrappy after that. If the game had gone on another 10 mins we qould ahve won it.

The 10 mins before half time were a bit of a mess, Butland and Tomkins going long all the time, and losing it almost every time. Granted Gallagher lost the ball, but Broja's goal came from another long ball clearance.

It felt like Viera told them to stop punting at half time as it stopped.

I know people get nervy when we pass it out from the back, but its 100 times better than punting it upfield and losing it every time.

IMO Butland was the main reason for the game being so scrappy last night. His natural inclination was to go long, and even when he had time, instead of looking for a quick pass he'd hold it until Southampton blocked his out balls and then force him to go long.

I don't think Guita's distribution is amazing, but its clear watching last night that Butland isn't used to that type of build up, and/or confident enough to give it to players under pressure.

Hopefully with VG and Anderson back on Saturday we'll get some control back.

Is the key. On 5 minutes and he made a long perfectly weighted pass through about 3 Saints players to catch a winger on the run. 90 minutes of that and you would have a dozen attacks right there.

Tomkins is terrific, but the look on his face when he came off said "Back to the bench for me"

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 16 Dec 21 9.55am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Ended up arguing with a guy behind me on exactly the same subject. He kept saying, cant you see what we are trying to do, without realising that when a team is pressing, bypassing the pressing players turns defence into attack, not passing it back and back and back until the keeper ends up hoofing it or we lose possession.

Put ourselves under way too much pressure tonight because we played into their hands. Kouyate was out of position and can only play central defensive midfielder not where he was tonight. Gallagher was tired without a doubt and Eze should have come on to replace him.

Still a work in progress without doubt, some good, a lot of bad. Still if we reach 19 games with say 23/24 points Id be reasonably happy

If it was that easy to bypass a press people wouldn't even press. It's absolutely fine to go backwards and sideways until the right pass opens up. Unfortunately last night Butland and Tomkins sh1t themselves whenever they got the ball and went long. We'd lose the ball and then it would come straight back at us.

So many of our fans have been watching poor 'defenders defend' for so long now that they expect defenders to clear it when under the slightest pressure.

How often goes MG just aimlessly punt it long? Literally never. Guy is a Rolls Royce.

 

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View HesHereHesThere's Profile HesHereHesThere Flag Beckenham 16 Dec 21 10.00am Send a Private Message to HesHereHesThere Add HesHereHesThere as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

funny, I watched the Highlights on MOTD, and the game looked different from what you lot are describing.
We dominated the 1st 25 mins or so, got a goal, should have arguably got more. They then imposed themselves more, got a free kick (my first thought was that it was a free kick) Great free kick, nothing we could do. Immediately after CG got a taste of his own medicine and was pressed to a mistake, and again a quality finish. Can't fault Butland for either Goal.
The half finished with Momentum firmly with So'ton.
2nd half we battled, made a VERY positive change, and got something from the game.

for me, we were 'beaten' by 2 screamers. True, we shouldn't have allowed them the opportunity to shoot - On another day, it's unlikely that both go in.

This sums it up for me.

 

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View tonypeers5's Profile tonypeers5 Flag Wallington 16 Dec 21 10.24am Send a Private Message to tonypeers5 Add tonypeers5 as a friend

A few things that I noticed over the past couple of games.

We play better with both Benteke and Edouard on the pitch. Edouard is very good at reading the flick ons, has great feet and presses better. Tekkers is a better outlet and better in the air.

If Ayew could finish, we'd be a much more threatening prospect. It sounds like an obvious comment to make but I've also been guilty of criticising him without appreciating what he actually does outside of putting the ball in the net (or not). He does bring a lot to the team defensively plus we seem to pick up a lot of free kicks to relieve pressure. I think having Olise off the bench works better. The games that Olise has started, he has not has the same impact as him coming into the game later on.

Hughes looks a great buy and definitely a future replacement for McArthur (if not now I'm afraid to say). He allows Gallagher to play a few yards higher up the pitch where he is more threatening.

Wilf is Wilf. Moments of brilliances along with moments of frustration. He doesn't seem to run at players as much this season and I can't work out if that's because he's lost a little pace or because he's been told to pass the ball more.

I can almost see us doing a West Ham. We'll be a work in progress this season, then once it completely clicks and with a few specialist players (free kick/corner takers), could kick on towards the end of the season and into next season. My only concern is that most of the goals we concede are due to our own faults rather than teams simply playing better (Maybe that's even more reason for optimism). We keep the ball very well but, as has been mentioned, pass the ball too much around the back sometimes and get caught out. Also, as much as there's been a drastic improvement, we still need to work on better service to the front players. We still don't play to Benteke or Edouard's strengths still IMO. Edouard is a natural finisher and we don't create space enough to allow him to shoot more. We also seem to lack the ability to get the ball into areas that Tekkers can attack the ball more in the air. When Tekkers gets good service, he scores. Simple as. How we don't score more from set pieces with the players we have is beyond me.

I also can't decide what players we need in Jan, if any. If I had the choice of signing Gallagher and no one else, I'd take that, but I still can't help feeling like we're a few players short of where we want to be.

I'm still very optimistic at the moment and the team are a millions miles better to watch compared to previous seasons. I'm really enjoying watching us at the moment and actually look forward to coming to Selhurst. I can't wait to see how Vieira tries to slot Eze into the team once he's fully fit/on form as he's a talent we need to use. Also, to see is Ferguson will play any role at all now that he's playing in the u23s.

 


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Why did Kouyate play a different role than against Everton?

 

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