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View Gribbo's Profile Gribbo Flag Bromley 16 Dec 21 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Gribbo Add Gribbo as a friend

Playing out from the back is great if you can do it. Clearly Tomkins can't. Mix it up a bit with the odd ball over the top to beat the press. If you just roll it around at the back it will encourage them on without worry. The odd ball over the top will make them think. Check out the goals Liverpool concede over the top of the high press. Without the speed of Van Dyke at the back they fell apart to the long ball last season.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 16 Dec 21 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Gribbo

Playing out from the back is great if you can do it. Clearly Tomkins can't. Mix it up a bit with the odd ball over the top to beat the press. If you just roll it around at the back it will encourage them on without worry. The odd ball over the top will make them think. Check out the goals Liverpool concede over the top of the high press. Without the speed of Van Dyke at the back they fell apart to the long ball last season.

This is why Andersen has been a big miss imo

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 16 Dec 21 1.09pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think Guiata had a slight hand injury (he received treatment in the Everton game). Obviously not too bad though given he was on the bench.

Dislocated his finger

 

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 16 Dec 21 3.57pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Ended up arguing with a guy behind me on exactly the same subject. He kept saying, canít you see what we are trying to doĒ, without realising that when a team is pressing, bypassing the pressing players turns defence into attack, not passing it back and back and back until the keeper ends up hoofing it or we lose possession.

Put ourselves under way too much pressure tonight because we played into their hands. Kouyate was out of position and can only play central defensive midfielder not where he was tonight. Gallagher was tired without a doubt and Eze should have come on to replace him.

Still a work in progress without doubt, some good, a lot of bad. Still if we reach 19 games with say 23/24 points Iíd be reasonably happy

Exactly, the short pass out was a joke yesterday. Firstly we didn't have the players to play it (Tomkins is not a passer), it rarely went anywhere often just back to the goalie with no midfielder coming short and thirdly with Southampton pressing this created gaps further up the pitch.

Also so frustrating the short free kicks, often in the opposition half that went nowhere, usually back to the goalie. These are attacking opportunities, just get it down the line or into the box

 

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View george1212's Profile george1212 Flag london 16 Dec 21 4.55pm Send a Private Message to george1212 Add george1212 as a friend

I was at the stadium last night and it was good to see Hughes play. I thought he was very calm and composed, playing the simple ball and seemed to slow the game down to his tempo.

Only thing I would say is he lacks a bit of pace but that's not the be all and all. I did find he was playing quite a few backwards balls last night, but I don't think that was entirely his fault. Team was very disjointed with the defense and Hughes often quite isolated.

Glad we salvaged a point and maintaining our midtable position for now. Win at Watford entirely possible although not a given.

 

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View Elwissthebest's Profile Elwissthebest Flag Marlborough 16 Dec 21 7.58pm Send a Private Message to Elwissthebest Add Elwissthebest as a friend

Originally posted by tonypeers5

A few things that I noticed over the past couple of games.

We play better with both Benteke and Edouard on the pitch. Edouard is very good at reading the flick ons, has great feet and presses better. Tekkers is a better outlet and better in the air.

If Ayew could finish, we'd be a much more threatening prospect. It sounds like an obvious comment to make but I've also been guilty of criticising him without appreciating what he actually does outside of putting the ball in the net (or not). He does bring a lot to the team defensively plus we seem to pick up a lot of free kicks to relieve pressure. I think having Olise off the bench works better. The games that Olise has started, he has not has the same impact as him coming into the game later on.

Hughes looks a great buy and definitely a future replacement for McArthur (if not now I'm afraid to say). He allows Gallagher to play a few yards higher up the pitch where he is more threatening.

Wilf is Wilf. Moments of brilliances along with moments of frustration. He doesn't seem to run at players as much this season and I can't work out if that's because he's lost a little pace or because he's been told to pass the ball more.

I can almost see us doing a West Ham. We'll be a work in progress this season, then once it completely clicks and with a few specialist players (free kick/corner takers), could kick on towards the end of the season and into next season. My only concern is that most of the goals we concede are due to our own faults rather than teams simply playing better (Maybe that's even more reason for optimism). We keep the ball very well but, as has been mentioned, pass the ball too much around the back sometimes and get caught out. Also, as much as there's been a drastic improvement, we still need to work on better service to the front players. We still don't play to Benteke or Edouard's strengths still IMO. Edouard is a natural finisher and we don't create space enough to allow him to shoot more. We also seem to lack the ability to get the ball into areas that Tekkers can attack the ball more in the air. When Tekkers gets good service, he scores. Simple as. How we don't score more from set pieces with the players we have is beyond me.

I also can't decide what players we need in Jan, if any. If I had the choice of signing Gallagher and no one else, I'd take that, but I still can't help feeling like we're a few players short of where we want to be.

I'm still very optimistic at the moment and the team are a millions miles better to watch compared to previous seasons. I'm really enjoying watching us at the moment and actually look forward to coming to Selhurst. I can't wait to see how Vieira tries to slot Eze into the team once he's fully fit/on form as he's a talent we need to use. Also, to see is Ferguson will play any role at all now that he's playing in the u23s.

What a very eloquent and reasoned post. I can't see the case for NOT playing Benteke and Edouard together up front. It'll be interesting to see how Vieira deploys Olise and Eze. Essentially the same player? I'd like to see four in midfield: Zaha, Gallagher, Hughes, Eze or Olise. That just seems more balanced to me than 4-3-3.
We might not have as many points as we did at this stage last year, but the football is easier on the eye. And where last year's team was unlikely to improve, this one should. Still six more games to win and the sooner that happens, the easier it will be to integrate the likes of Banks, Rak-Sayki.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 17 Dec 21 12.07am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Anyone else think Tomkins looks like John Wick. If he turns up in a Mustang with a dog in the front seat donít upset him or try and nick his car.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 17 Dec 21 7.01am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

If it was that easy to bypass a press people wouldn't even press. It's absolutely fine to go backwards and sideways until the right pass opens up. Unfortunately last night Butland and Tomkins sh1t themselves whenever they got the ball and went long. We'd lose the ball and then it would come straight back at us.

So many of our fans have been watching poor 'defenders defend' for so long now that they expect defenders to clear it when under the slightest pressure.

How often goes MG just aimlessly punt it long? Literally never. Guy is a Rolls Royce.

Made as many mistakes as the others.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 17 Dec 21 8.15am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

If it was that easy to bypass a press people wouldn't even press. It's absolutely fine to go backwards and sideways until the right pass opens up. Unfortunately last night Butland and Tomkins sh1t themselves whenever they got the ball and went long. We'd lose the ball and then it would come straight back at us.

So many of our fans have been watching poor 'defenders defend' for so long now that they expect defenders to clear it when under the slightest pressure.

How often goes MG just aimlessly punt it long? Literally never. Guy is a Rolls Royce.

Andersenís long passing ability bypasses a press, so it can be done with relative ease.
Maybe Southampton wouldnít have pressed so high if he had been playing!

 

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View viveasheagle's Profile viveasheagle Flag perth 17 Dec 21 8.15am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

I was a bit disappointed with how the game panned out. We got off to a good start and i was a bit surprised Hughes challenge was not pulled up even though he got the ball that led to our goal. I felt we were in total control and although it slipped a bit their first goal was not a free kick and the referee made a mistake as did Hughes leaving his leg out even though their striker tried to run over it. Their second was another mistake mixed with a bit of bad luck with Gallagher getting forced into misplacing a pass which could have gone anywhere but rolled perfectly to their only sticker in that area who took his chance.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 17 Dec 21 9.57am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

I just felt that everyone's energy levels had inevitably dipped a bit having contributed so much to the game on Sunday-

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 17 Dec 21 9.58am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Made as many mistakes as the others.

Not sure he did. I remember him losing it once doing a cruyff turn on the half way line.

But he also doesn't go long every time he gets it, losing it in the process.

 

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