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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 Jan 22 8.38am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle



I don't excuse the EU in also miscalculating 1.
or in seeking to make life difficult for us as an example to other waverers.

However, when mutual interests collide ways will be found and as there is an overwhelming need for us to be in the European club I think it will be. What form it will take is an open question but whilst Brexit might be "done" I think it is but another chapter in the saga which is our relationship with our neighbours.

This government will go. The pandemic will end. We will reassess, and move on again. I might not live to see it but we, and the world, face too many big problems to go on squabbling over a common sense arrangement. The political imperatives to do so are just too big to be ignored.

The xenophobes have had their day 2.
. Common sense will return.

1. They are still making them Netherlands and Poland and Hungary are getting increasingly annoyed at the EU. I am not saying that they will leave however this is how it started with the UK. The EU was deaf to the anti EU sentiment rather than trying to nip it in the bud.

2. Yeah those racist states like Iceland, Switzerland and Norway what a bunch of bigots glad they never joined.

 


One more point

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View selsdon56's Profile selsdon56 Flag selsdon 15 Jan 22 9.37am Send a Private Message to selsdon56 Add selsdon56 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course not. I have heard that excuse before, and it's nonsense. Such things are decided by Parliament and there has never been a suggestion from them that we ought to come out. The ONLY reason we ended up with a disastrous referendum was Tory selfishness. They were fearful of being torn asunder by UKIP so put Party before country to stop it. That they never expected to lose is no excuse. It was a disgraceful act not worthy of a great party.

Holding a referendum on an issue already decided upon in Parliament was unforgivable.


we had a referendum in 1975 to stay in or leave or have you forgotten that one selective memory I think.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jan 22 10.09am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

"The European Club"! Usual squid-ink from Wisbelch.
The EU wants to become and will become a federal state.
They will lose some more members along the way but that is what will happen and of course it will be dominated by Germany and, to a lesser extent, France.

We won't, I am quite sure, ever become part of a federal EU. Whether some EU states merge is up to them, but the clear direction is towards a multi faceted model. A 2, or even 3, speed Europe. Which is why I am describing a form of association. It's what we wanted, what in truth we always had to a lesser degree and what the EU will likely now accept.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jan 22 10.16am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

1. They are still making them Netherlands and Poland and Hungary are getting increasingly annoyed at the EU. I am not saying that they will leave however this is how it started with the UK. The EU was deaf to the anti EU sentiment rather than trying to nip it in the bud.

2. Yeah those racist states like Iceland, Switzerland and Norway what a bunch of bigots glad they never joined.

That there are dissidents everywhere is irrelevant. There is rarely complete agreement about anything. The EU will evolve, as everything does, to respond to it's changing environment. We will end up with a central core, who get closer, and an outer one who have looser ties but are still part of the family.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jan 22 10.23am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by selsdon56


we had a referendum in 1975 to stay in or leave or have you forgotten that one selective memory I think.

Of course, I remember it. I voted in it.

That doesn't mean it was the right way to do things. It was a cop out then, as was 2016. Hopefully Parliament has now learned its lesson. Seeking the direct endorsement of the people for a decision you have taken is fine when they do what you expect, but a disaster when they don't.

Throwing the future of the country to the winds of chance inherent in a referendum, which is decided not on facts but on emotions stirred up by marketing slogans, is irresponsible.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 15 Jan 22 10.29am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by selsdon56


we had a referendum in 1975 to stay in or leave or have you forgotten that one selective memory I think.

We did but the whole-hearted approval was sought not just a majority.

I think 67% were in favour and the quality of the campaign was far above putting stickers on buses.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 15 Jan 22 10.33am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

I was only 15 in 75 & have no real knowledge of any referendum at that time - I am no expert but my beef with the European union was that when we joined there were 12 / 13 member states that could all afford to be part of the union (more or less) any ref in 1975 would have been to leave that more or less reasonably funded club -
What caused me to loose faith in the EU was that as the years passed more & more minority nations were granted access to the EU, eventually to 25 members ? the financial status of those nations was largely unimpressive & it became the duty of the wealthier nations to prop up these less wealthy ones - so to me leaving was the right thing to do - personally I have no problem with the UK sending funds to countries that need it but I would be happier if it was our own decision as to who to send money to & how much & when rather than the EU making that decision for us.

Originally posted by selsdon56


we had a referendum in 1975 to stay in or leave or have you forgotten that one selective memory I think.

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 15 Jan 22 10.50am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Kier Starmer spotted at an indoor 'work event' last year clutching a beer and chatting with at least five other people.

In the words of my wife just now, 'They should all stop talking nonsense and get on with running the Country!'

Hear, hear!

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jan 22 12.09pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

I was only 15 in 75 & have no real knowledge of any referendum at that time - I am no expert but my beef with the European union was that when we joined there were 12 / 13 member states that could all afford to be part of the union (more or less) any ref in 1975 would have been to leave that more or less reasonably funded club -
What caused me to loose faith in the EU was that as the years passed more & more minority nations were granted access to the EU, eventually to 25 members ? the financial status of those nations was largely unimpressive & it became the duty of the wealthier nations to prop up these less wealthy ones - so to me leaving was the right thing to do - personally I have no problem with the UK sending funds to countries that need it but I would be happier if it was our own decision as to who to send money to & how much & when rather than the EU making that decision for us.

The reason the EU exists is a great deal more complicated and important than who decides on where our overseas aid goes. Which is why the decision over membership needs to be taken by those we elect to study the issues, who have access to impartial experts and the time to consider and debate them. Not by us basing our decision on emotion, personal obsessions or the effect of marketing campaigns. We need to trust our politicians and to do that we need to elect better politicians.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Jan 2022 1.35pm)

 

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 15 Jan 22 1.31pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Kier Starmer spotted at an indoor 'work event' last year clutching a beer and chatting with at least five other people.

In the words of my wife just now, 'They should all stop talking nonsense and get on with running the Country!'

Hear, hear!

Indeed he was POG . . . [Link]

Funny how the bbc/itv/sky etc etc have gone VERY quiet on this along with certain posters on here, strange that.

 


The Child Has Grown,
The Dream Is Gone, And,
I Have Become,
Comfortably Numb.

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View selsdon56's Profile selsdon56 Flag selsdon 15 Jan 22 2.22pm Send a Private Message to selsdon56 Add selsdon56 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course, I remember it. I voted in it.

That doesn't mean it was the right way to do things. It was a cop out then, as was 2016. Hopefully Parliament has now learned its lesson. Seeking the direct endorsement of the people for a decision you have taken is fine when they do what you expect, but a disaster when they don't.

Throwing the future of the country to the winds of chance inherent in a referendum, which is decided not on facts but on emotions stirred up by marketing slogans, is irresponsible.

So did I. and I corrected my decision last time. You got the result you wanted the first time possible and do not like the new vote. As say you are selective in your writing.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 15 Jan 22 2.32pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Every worker whether civil servants or politicians that attended any gathering involving alcohol when they were not permitted to do so should be sacked. Itís as simple as that. They have broken the law at the time which is an automatic dismissal act amongst public servants.

Boris may not have got involved for hours on end but it was proven he was there and so knew breaches were in progress. He made no attempt to end these gatherings so his position is untenable.

Interestingly this is a good opportunity for the Conservatives to have a proper clear out and get back to some proper politics. The only chance they have of winning the next election is if he steps down.

 

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