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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 20 Jan 22 8.59am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

He is still one of the best one-on-one defenders in the world and he's as good as Mitchell going forward. A couple of seasons ago in the CL he almost singlehandedly shut out Neymar and Mbappe who just couldn't get past him. For me, his one big weakness was always his positional sense and I don't think that's ever been addressed. When he has someone alongside him telling him where to go or when he has clear instructions from the boss he shines. The other big issue is confidence. United are in a big stinking pile of sh!t and the big names are throwing their toys out the pram on a daily basis and I can't imagine that is a great environment for someone who seems like a quiet, polite young man.

We are not in a place where we would spend £20m+ on a fullback and I can't see United taking any bigger loss. A loan would just be a short-term option with no long-term gain unless it was with a reasonable fee at the end. I think Ward is having his best season in years, but AWB is a definite upgrade (as he was before). The bigger question may be just how good is Ferguson?

 

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Originally posted by taylors lovechild

He is still one of the best one-on-one defenders in the world and he's as good as Mitchell going forward. A couple of seasons ago in the CL he almost singlehandedly shut out Neymar and Mbappe who just couldn't get past him. For me, his one big weakness was always his positional sense and I don't think that's ever been addressed. When he has someone alongside him telling him where to go or when he has clear instructions from the boss he shines. The other big issue is confidence. United are in a big stinking pile of sh!t and the big names are throwing their toys out the pram on a daily basis and I can't imagine that is a great environment for someone who seems like a quiet, polite young man.

We are not in a place where we would spend £20m+ on a fullback and I can't see United taking any bigger loss. A loan would just be a short-term option with no long-term gain unless it was with a reasonable fee at the end. I think Ward is having his best season in years, but AWB is a definite upgrade (as he was before). The bigger question may be just how good is Ferguson?

Is this the same polite young man that was arrested last September for driving whilst disqualified and without insurance? The boy is definitely not all sweetness and light.

Edited by Eaglecoops (20 Jan 2022 9.08am)

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 20 Jan 22 9.34am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

He is still one of the best one-on-one defenders in the world and he's as good as Mitchell going forward. A couple of seasons ago in the CL he almost singlehandedly shut out Neymar and Mbappe who just couldn't get past him. For me, his one big weakness was always his positional sense and I don't think that's ever been addressed. When he has someone alongside him telling him where to go or when he has clear instructions from the boss he shines. The other big issue is confidence. United are in a big stinking pile of sh!t and the big names are throwing their toys out the pram on a daily basis and I can't imagine that is a great environment for someone who seems like a quiet, polite young man.

We are not in a place where we would spend £20m+ on a fullback and I can't see United taking any bigger loss. A loan would just be a short-term option with no long-term gain unless it was with a reasonable fee at the end. I think Ward is having his best season in years, but AWB is a definite upgrade (as he was before). The bigger question may be just how good is Ferguson?

I think its safe to assume that AWB is better than Ferguson (for now), one has a handful of games in the Championship. The other has a good couple of seasons of Prem experience


 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 20 Jan 22 6.57pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

AWB + Vieira's coaching + his young age + the fact that he's an outstanding defender + the fact there's no real reason to believe he can't learn and improve his attacking game (as Joel Ward has under the present coaching staff, and AWB has the potential to be a better player than Ward) + his Champions League experience + his experience of sharing a dressing room, and learning from the likes of Ronaldo and Cavani which must have taught him something...I mean what the f*** is not to like?

Assuming we could negotiate a reasonable/acceptable fee, would anyone seriously not bring AWB back in a heartbeat? With AWB on one side and Mitchell on the other, we'd basically have our full backs sorted for the next ten years leaving money to spend elsewhere in the team. And we'd have Ferguson (who DOES play CB as well), Guehi, and Andersson in the middle of the back four, all of whom are also young.

At a fair price, AWB would be a seriously, seriously good bit of business. (And remember, United paid £47 million for Fred so they may well take Luka in part exchange, who they'd probably value at least £20 million at today's rates :-)

Edited by sydtheeagle (20 Jan 2022 7.00pm)

 


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Originally posted by sydtheeagle

AWB + Vieira's coaching + his young age + the fact that he's an outstanding defender + the fact there's no real reason to believe he can't learn and improve his attacking game (as Joel Ward has under the present coaching staff, and AWB has the potential to be a better player than Ward) + his Champions League experience + his experience of sharing a dressing room, and learning from the likes of Ronaldo and Cavani which must have taught him something...I mean what the f*** is not to like?

Assuming we could negotiate a reasonable/acceptable fee, would anyone seriously not bring AWB back in a heartbeat? With AWB on one side and Mitchell on the other, we'd basically have our full backs sorted for the next ten years leaving money to spend elsewhere in the team. And we'd have Ferguson (who DOES play CB as well), Guehi, and Andersson in the middle of the back four, all of whom are also young.

At a fair price, AWB would be a seriously, seriously good bit of business. (And remember, United paid £47 million for Fred so they may well take Luka in part exchange, who they'd probably value at least £20 million at today's rates :-)

Edited by sydtheeagle (20 Jan 2022 7.00pm)

AWB is a better player than Ward.

 


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View Mathers's Profile Mathers Flag 20 Jan 22 7.23pm Send a Private Message to Mathers Add Mathers as a friend

I have a feeling Utd might be looking at TM soon. If we can squeeze £30m + AWB thatíd be a tidy deal. We can then buy him back 18 months later

Edited by Mathers (20 Jan 2022 7.23pm)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 20 Jan 22 8.02pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

AWB + Vieira's coaching + his young age + the fact that he's an outstanding defender + the fact there's no real reason to believe he can't learn and improve his attacking game (as Joel Ward has under the present coaching staff, and AWB has the potential to be a better player than Ward) + his Champions League experience + his experience of sharing a dressing room, and learning from the likes of Ronaldo and Cavani which must have taught him something...I mean what the f*** is not to like?

Assuming we could negotiate a reasonable/acceptable fee, would anyone seriously not bring AWB back in a heartbeat? With AWB on one side and Mitchell on the other, we'd basically have our full backs sorted for the next ten years leaving money to spend elsewhere in the team. And we'd have Ferguson (who DOES play CB as well), Guehi, and Andersson in the middle of the back four, all of whom are also young.

At a fair price, AWB would be a seriously, seriously good bit of business. (And remember, United paid £47 million for Fred so they may well take Luka in part exchange, who they'd probably value at least £20 million at today's rates :-)

Edited by sydtheeagle (20 Jan 2022 7.00pm)

Defo but can I breathe halfway through the first paragraph please

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 20 Jan 22 9.03pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

AWB + Vieira's coaching + his young age + the fact that he's an outstanding defender + the fact there's no real reason to believe he can't learn and improve his attacking game (as Joel Ward has under the present coaching staff, and AWB has the potential to be a better player than Ward) + his Champions League experience + his experience of sharing a dressing room, and learning from the likes of Ronaldo and Cavani which must have taught him something...I mean what the f*** is not to like?

Assuming we could negotiate a reasonable/acceptable fee, would anyone seriously not bring AWB back in a heartbeat? With AWB on one side and Mitchell on the other, we'd basically have our full backs sorted for the next ten years leaving money to spend elsewhere in the team. And we'd have Ferguson (who DOES play CB as well), Guehi, and Andersson in the middle of the back four, all of whom are also young.

At a fair price, AWB would be a seriously, seriously good bit of business. (And remember, United paid £47 million for Fred so they may well take Luka in part exchange, who they'd probably value at least £20 million at today's rates :-)

Edited by sydtheeagle (20 Jan 2022 7.00pm)

I disagree that there would be much hope that he would improve his attacking play. As apparently he was a winger originally that was moved to full back as his defensive ability must of out weighed his attacking play

 

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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 20 Jan 22 9.16pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

Would love him back, still one of the best defensively in the league, just terrible going forward you need both to play for a top club, would be a great signing for us.

I would go along with this, AWB hasnít been able to shine in Manchester and you know why, Man Utd have been dog s*** for a good few years now.

Maguire and Lindoff are absolutely the worst central defenders to wear the United shirt thatís why AWB has been exposedÖ.

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 20 Jan 22 9.29pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by Casual

I disagree that there would be much hope that he would improve his attacking play. As apparently he was a winger originally that was moved to full back as his defensive ability must of out weighed his attacking play

I get what you're saying and even though I don't agree, I respect your opinion. Where I have an issue (in a general sense) is this:

We have a football player. He's young. He's fit. He's mobile. He can by and large control a football to Premier League standard. He can whack it a long way if he needs to. He can jump. His timing is reasonably good. He's physically strong. He's got a fair sense of positioning. He has an engine.

So with all these attributes, why should there be no hope that he can improve his attacking play? Sorry, but I just don't see it. If you take a lump of clay with all the qualities I've just outlined, all of which AWB has, it's surely not beyond the bounds of possibility that a coach or manager who is even vaguely good at his job can shape that clay into at least a passable attacking full back? If not, the state of the coaching nation must be very, very poor indeed.

To me, if a sentence begins "AWB cannot be turned into a decent attacking full back..." then it HAS to end with "because Patrick Vieira and Osian Roberts are absolutely useless coaches". And they're not.

Edited by sydtheeagle (20 Jan 2022 9.30pm)

 


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View CT Charlie's Profile CT Charlie Flag 20 Jan 22 9.45pm Send a Private Message to CT Charlie Add CT Charlie as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

This with bells on.

I'm always amazed by how (read back on this forum over the years) supporters will criticise a manager for not picking up enough points, not using the right tactics, not making the best use of substitutions, or buying the wrong players. But almost no one will comment on a managers ability to develop players despite coaching ability being one of, if not the core requirement of the job.

This has been Vieira's genius. While Roy was great at setting up a side (not to lose) few, if any, players actually improved under him. They just knew their roles and their roles were basically defined by damage limitation. Ward can't do this, so rather than teach him how, just put him in a position where he doesn't have to. That was Roy. Of the main holdovers from Hodgson:

Ward - his best season in years, dramatically improved under Vieira
Mitchel - dramatic improvement since last season
Benteke - he is what he is, but he's been better this year than the two previous years
Kouyate - at least as good as he was under Roy

Put simply, good managers (Sir Alex being the obvious example) take players and make them better simply because they know how to coach and develop them.

You are absolutely right that AWB's demise is a failure of coaching and nothing else. The raw material is there. Bring him back. A great defender and if Vieira can do what he's done for Ward for AWB then possibly yet a great attacking full-back too.


Edited by sydtheeagle (19 Jan 2022 8.20pm)

I would love to see AWB back, and I think Viera is a wonderful coach. That said, I believe that some of the improvement you have cited among our current players can be attributed to the influx of talent we've enjoyed. Gallagher, Andersen, and Guehi have been clear upgrades, and Mitchell has matured notably. With Olise, Edouard, and lately Eze as quality substitutes, I think the improvement in team quality would raise the level of everyone's play, regardless of coaching.

 

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View dynamicdick's Profile dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 20 Jan 22 11.49pm Send a Private Message to dynamicdick Add dynamicdick as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

Honestly, Iím not 100% sure Iíd have him over Ward at the moment.
Careful what you wish for I reckon. Yes he gets exposed for pace, but heís remarkably consistent for us.

Consistent yes because we have no one else to play there at the moment. Ability wise AWB is far superior. Take a look at the Brighton match again fir a refresh on that.

 


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