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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Feb 22 9.34am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Almost true with one exception

Police officers can be made to forfeit their pensions if they are convicted of a criminal offence committed in connection with their service as a member of a police force that could result in a serious loss of confidence.

There may however be a provision for an enhancement in this case, or an agreement made relating to if she went quietly. In theory going early may have cost her a fair amount of pension if itís final salary.

Similar to ďnormalĒ public sector pensions. I believe Police Officers pay approximately 11% of pay into their salary ( might be wrong about amount). She would have accrued a sizeable pension through her years of service. It does seem that she is on some sort of fixed contract until 2024, so different to public sector Khan has been criticised for bypassing HS as he may now have opened the door to a constructive dismissal claim.

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 12 Feb 22 11.08am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Not surprised she's still smiling with a pension of £160k on top of a half million quid payoff.

I fail to understand these days how someone does a crap job, gets the sack and a huge payment to leave. It almost seems you're better off to do a lousy job than an outstanding one.

Bit different from when I was out earning a crust.

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 12 Feb 22 12.14pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Too many on here think they know the real Cressida Dick. She was a dedicated copper who has tried to deal with that total dick of a mayor and ultimately failed. There are 40,000+ people working for the Met in either the front line or support roles and the vast majority of them are neither racist or incompetent.

The left and other organisations have tried to destroy the Met for years who, lets not forget are primarily there to protect us, not molly coddle us and there was a time when most in this country had respect for a Police Officer. These days all you see is the public arguing with them, resisting arrest, failing to do what they are told even when it is in their best interest.

If anything has changed in London for the worse it is not the Met it is the people who live there. All residents should take a close look at their own behaviour and stop constantly blaming others for their own plight.

You will always get bad eggs in every profession and Iím afraid Dick has been judged by their actions rather than the good she did. Khan is the one to go if you want to improve London.

 

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View djcpfc's Profile djcpfc Flag Within a 5 minute walk 12 Feb 22 12.15pm Send a Private Message to djcpfc Add djcpfc as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I donít believe she was ever up to the job, plus the job is way too big and unwieldy. It needs a John Harvey Jones figure

Iíll look into JHJ.

Iím not sure the counter terrorism, and protection of parliament aspects of the Met should be part of their remit at all. That would potentially lighten the load. Whether you would go further and split again geographically to reduce size of the job, wellÖ

Sheís run it like a her own private fiefdom, batted off any suggestion that they have got things wrong, or need to improve on specifics. She has also been allowed to police herself by successive Home Secretaries, and the Mayor, being straight out to smother the narrative, with any direct attempt to question decision making, becoming subject to internal investigations that trump immediate political scrutiny.

Like all her immediate predecessors she should count herself lucky to have received such protection, and to have already received the accolades of state before completing the job. As of right now it looks rather foolish to have granted her any more than an OBE.

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Too many on here think they know the real Cressida Dick. She was a dedicated copper who has tried to deal with that total dick of a mayor and ultimately failed. There are 40,000+ people working for the Met in either the front line or support roles and the vast majority of them are neither racist or incompetent.

The left and other organisations have tried to destroy the Met for years who, lets not forget are primarily there to protect us, not molly coddle us and there was a time when most in this country had respect for a Police Officer. These days all you see is the public arguing with them, resisting arrest, failing to do what they are told even when it is in their best interest.

If anything has changed in London for the worse it is not the Met it is the people who live there. All residents should take a close look at their own behaviour and stop constantly blaming others for their own plight.

You will always get bad eggs in every profession and Iím afraid Dick has been judged by their actions rather than the good she did. Khan is the one to go if you want to improve London.

Are the Evening Standard and the Daily Mail part of your left?

Iíve seen her smirk her way through some pretty pointed questions. It was clear she lied throughout. So, yes, she had a tough job, and yes, I know enough about her to pass judgement.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 12 Feb 22 12.36pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by djcpfc

Iíll look into JHJ.

Iím not sure the counter terrorism, and protection of parliament aspects of the Met should be part of their remit at all. That would potentially lighten the load. Whether you would go further and split again geographically to reduce size of the job, wellÖ

Sheís run it like a her own private fiefdom, batted off any suggestion that they have got things wrong, or need to improve on specifics. She has also been allowed to police herself by successive Home Secretaries, and the Mayor, being straight out to smother the narrative, with any direct attempt to question decision making, becoming subject to internal investigations that trump immediate political scrutiny.

Like all her immediate predecessors she should count herself lucky to have received such protection, and to have already received the accolades of state before completing the job. As of right now it looks rather foolish to have granted her any more than an OBE.

Your highlighted point has merit. Counterterrorism and many of the specialist departments, bomb squad, fire investigation etc etc could be taken out of the Met however officers will continue to require information or input from these departments and as with all big organisations that split up. It doesnít make them cheaper it just hides the cost in different cost centres.

The national serious crime squad moved away from mainstream Met support however they took a lot of the top quality officers with them. So whilst diversification of the various roles may ultimately help concentrate the Met on core policing it will come at a cost and I see no colour of government supporting that.

If you want to improve the Met generally you need to get more officers on the streets and we have failed to do that for years and years. I worked for them through both labour and conservative govmts and on both occasions staff were instructed to continually cut costs, sell property, reduce staffing. There was always going to be a point where failures would occur and unfortunately they appear to be occurring more often.

The rest is your own unsupported opinion which I donít agree with so Iíll leave it at that.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 12 Feb 22 12.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Too many on here think they know the real Cressida Dick. She was a dedicated copper who has tried to deal with that total dick of a mayor and ultimately failed. There are 40,000+ people working for the Met in either the front line or support roles and the vast majority of them are neither racist or incompetent.

The left and other organisations have tried to destroy the Met for years who, lets not forget are primarily there to protect us, not molly coddle us and there was a time when most in this country had respect for a Police Officer. These days all you see is the public arguing with them, resisting arrest, failing to do what they are told even when it is in their best interest.

If anything has changed in London for the worse it is not the Met it is the people who live there. All residents should take a close look at their own behaviour and stop constantly blaming others for their own plight.

You will always get bad eggs in every profession and Iím afraid Dick has been judged by their actions rather than the good she did. Khan is the one to go if you want to improve London.

The Police are left wing and 'racism' was mostly a created charge. However, the politically appointed Police management turned it into a central plank.

I speak as someone in their fifties who doesn't have so much as a speeding ticket.
I use to have considerable respect for the Police but now I see them as politically compromised and while there are no doubt officers who deserve respect I only have to see the knee benders to know that I can't really trust them anymore.

Dick was part of that decline.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The Police are left wing and 'racism' was mostly a created charge. However, the politically appointed Police management turned it into a central plank.

I speak as someone in their fifties who doesn't have so much as a speeding ticket.
I use to have considerable respect for the Police but now I see them as politically compromised and while there are no doubt officers who deserve respect I only have to see the knee benders to know that I can't really trust them anymore.

Dick was part of that decline.

There are a lot of committees that sit in the background and shape the way the Met is run. The officers donít necessarily agree and it is understandable how politics gets forced into policing. The Commissioner along with the Receiver (he is in charge of the support staff) are very high ranking civil servants and they used to hold more power than they do now. I just think they no longer have the guts to fight for what is right for policing in general.

 

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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Not surprised she's still smiling with a pension of £160k on top of a half million quid payoff.

I fail to understand these days how someone does a crap job, gets the sack and a huge payment to leave. It almost seems you're better off to do a lousy job than an outstanding one.

Bit different from when I was out earning a crust.

POG, it is her public sector pension, which she is entitled to keep. You get 1/80th of your final salary for every year of service. You also get a lump sum which equates to 3x your annual pension.
I am in no way supporting her but just trying to explaining how a PS works, unless the police is different but think it is the same

Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2022 1.22pm)

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

There are a lot of committees that sit in the background and shape the way the Met is run. The officers donít necessarily agree and it is understandable how politics gets forced into policing. The Commissioner along with the Receiver (he is in charge of the support staff) are very high ranking civil servants and they used to hold more power than they do now. I just think they no longer have the guts to fight for what is right for policing in general.

I fully agree and I would say that if the Police were free of political interference my respect would no doubt return.

But as it is we can't deny the damage these changes have had for many people, especially on the right. People who are naturally lawful have watched with horror the commentary that now comes from the governing Police institutions let alone twitter accounts and these changes have had the effect of lowering both trust and assurance that Police actions aren't affected....well we know they are as they have to enforce, willingly or not some ridiculous laws.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2022 1.27pm)

 


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I used to have a neighbour who retired at quite a high ranking in the police. He said that policing emphasis was always politically driven.

You know the stuff,: Whatever is going to make the front pages.
Crack-downs on knife crime
Christmas purges on drive driving (though actually most convictions for D&D are during the Summer months)
Drugs raids
tackling gang crime
Human trafficking/slavery

 


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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I used to have a neighbour who retired at quite a high ranking in the police. He said that policing emphasis was always politically driven.

You know the stuff,: Whatever is going to make the front pages.
Crack-downs on knife crime
Christmas purges on drive driving (though actually most convictions for D&D are during the Summer months)
Drugs raids
tackling gang crime
Human trafficking/slavery

Well, those are actual crimes.

If that's what's called politically driven I don't know many who are that bothered about it.

 


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