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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Feb 22 11.35am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes, because he doesn't make decisions on his own, based on instinct and not analysis. He has a team behind him for which he is the mouthpiece. One that some clearly don't like the style of, and enjoy making silly ageist jibes about, but that's just childish stupidity, of which there is lots in places like this.

We now have a POTUS who listens, not only to those in his own team, but in those of the USA's allies.

He sure does listen, the only problem is it has to be said very loudly and repeated multiple times.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes, because he doesn't make decisions on his own, based on instinct and not analysis. He has a team behind him for which he is the mouthpiece. One that some clearly don't like the style of, and enjoy making silly ageist jibes about, but that's just childish stupidity, of which there is lots in places like this.

We now have a POTUS who listens, not only to those in his own team, but in those of the USA's allies.


Kabul was a huge success, he should take all the plaudits as it was entirely his plan, his timing etc.

Age is not the issue, you are the same age as Biden and........oh hang on

Childish stupidity vs senility hmm

Edited by HKOwen (16 Feb 2022 11.58am)

 


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Originally posted by HKOwen


Kabul was a huge success, he should take all the plaudits as it was entirely his plan, his timing etc.

Age is not the issue, you are the same age as Biden and........oh hang on

Childish stupidity vs senility hmm

Edited by HKOwen (16 Feb 2022 11.58am)

Kabul most certainly was not entirely his plan. The timetable was inherited and whilst pressure was applied to try to delay it, it was stuck to. That resolve would have come from a mix of determinants. The mood at home which wanted to see an end to it, and an agreement with the Taliban, who stood back and let it happen. Judging what would produce the least bad outcome will never stop people criticising what will always be a bad outcome.

Almost none of that would have been Biden's work.

 


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Trump's plan in Afghanistan was not adhered to, that's just a bare face falsehood. One of the first things Biden did was delay the withdraw.

Secondly, the claim that an 'inherited plan' can't be changed just beggar's belief. Biden changed just about all of Trump's 'inherited plan's on taking office....and as stated, Trump's withdraw date was one of the first things.

Trump played no part in organising the events of Biden's Afghanistan disaster. The generals themselves testified that they disagreed with Biden's decisions....it's there on video.

This guy spends his time blaming Trump even when he's out of office.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2022 12.34pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Trump's plan in Afghanistan was not adhered to, that's just a bare face falsehood. One of the first things Biden did was delay the withdraw.

Secondly, the claim that an 'inherited plan' can't be changed just beggar's belief. Biden changed just about all of Trump's 'inherited plan's on taking office....and as stated, Trump's withdraw date was one of the first things.

Trump played no part in organising the events of Biden's Afghanistan disaster. The generals themselves testified that they disagreed with Biden's decisions....it's there on video.

This guy spends his time blaming Trump even when he's out of office.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2022 12.34pm)

When we speak about "Trump's", or "Biden's" plan we tend to forget it is neither. It was a commitment made by the USA. The Doha agreement, made during the Trump Presidency, bound the US government. The Biden administration inherited it and oversaw the final part of it. It was already in process.

The detailed timetable was modified by events. Events do that, but the overall objective wasn't. Some senior generals argued for delay, and there were disagreements about who said what to whom and when. What lay behind the scenes and what the intelligence was saying, we may never know, but this would not have been one man's decision. Trump is the only President I can recall who took this kind of decision alone.

A comprehensive account of these events, as is publicly known, can be found below. I am certainly not going to stop focussing on Trump. He may be out of power, but his shadow, and that of the most disastrous 4 years of US politics in my lifetime, looms large over the USA and the world. The attempts to whitewash him, and then resurrect him, must be countered at every turn. Unless and until he is removed from the stage completely he remains a very real danger to our peace and future prosperity.

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When we speak about "Trump's", or "Biden's" plan we tend to forget it is neither. It was a commitment made by the USA. The Doha agreement, made during the Trump Presidency, bound the US government. The Biden administration inherited it and oversaw the final part of it. It was already in process.

The detailed timetable was modified by events. Events do that, but the overall objective wasn't. Some senior generals argued for delay, and there were disagreements about who said what to whom and when. What lay behind the scenes and what the intelligence was saying, we may never know, but this would not have been one man's decision. Trump is the only President I can recall who took this kind of decision alone.

A comprehensive account of these events, as is publicly known, can be found below. I am certainly not going to stop focussing on Trump. He may be out of power, but his shadow, and that of the most disastrous 4 years of US politics in my lifetime, looms large over the USA and the world. The attempts to whitewash him, and then resurrect him, must be countered at every turn. Unless and until he is removed from the stage completely he remains a very real danger to our peace and future prosperity.

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These are strawman arguments.

Whoever is president has significant input into decisions, however no one said that they don't take advice. Everyone with sense knows that Biden is largely a puppet and I've been clear in my criticism of the Democrats in general. However Biden chooses and ultimately decides who he listens to and who he delegates to....that's a very important point to make. That's of every president whether it's Biden or Trump.

Ultimately the buck stops at the president....it's their name on the ticket....you trying to deflect for Biden doesn't change that. In fact it's one of my main criticisms of Trump...Trump was more right than his advisers were...many of whom were protecting the swamp.

Where is the evidence that Trump took decisions alone? He was opinioned for sure, however anyone with any knowledge of his presidency knows that he was as in hock to his advisers as any of them...There are numerous examples.

Your Trump derangement syndrome is as strong as ever....however your last paragraph is incredibly deluded....you actually think that what you do makes even a butterfly's wings difference to anything related to Trump....you're not a stupid guy but when you write like that you're losing grasp of reality....nothing we say here makes the blind bit of difference to bugger all.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2022 2.07pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

These are strawman arguments.

Whoever is president has significant input into decisions, however no one said that they don't take advice. Everyone with sense knows that Biden is largely a puppet and I've been clear in my criticism of the Democrats in general. However Biden chooses and ultimately decides who he listens to and who he delegates to....that's a very important point to make. That's of every president whether it's Biden or Trump.

Ultimately the buck stops at the president....it's their name on the ticket....you trying to deflect for Biden doesn't change that. In fact it's one of my main criticisms of Trump...Trump was more right than his advisers were...many of whom were protecting the swamp.

Where is the evidence that Trump took decisions alone? He was opinioned for sure, however anyone with any knowledge of his presidency knows that he was as in hock to his advisers as any of them...There are numerous examples.

Your Trump derangement syndrome is as strong as ever....however your last paragraph is incredibly deluded....you actually think that what you do makes even a butterfly's wings difference to anything related to Trump....you're not a stupid guy but when you write like that you're losing grasp of reality....nothing we say here makes the blind bit of difference to bugger all.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2022 2.07pm)

The evidence for that was on our TV screens and his Twitter account all the time. He made up policy on the fly and believed himself over any kind of expert advice.

As I have often said I am not a bag man for Biden. He is merely a bridge to the next generation on a road that leads away from Trumpism. His job was done once he ousted Trump. Now the job is to hold that line and ensure that there is no coming back. Whether the next generation is Republican, or Democrat the important thing is to make sure it isn't Trumpism. I have no concerns about that being given pathetic labels to try to discredit it. What matters is that it is achieved. There is as much work to be done within Republican ranks, as within the Democrats. McConnell has a vital role in doing that, as do the GOP members of the House Committee investigating the Jan 6th riot.

I realise I cannot make an ounce of difference alone but single voices who join with others can make enough noise to be noticed. What's important is to ensure the past doesn't get airbrushed out of history, just because the current POTUS faces the challenges that every POTUS does. They are especially problematical right now.

 


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Originally posted by HKOwen

Am I missing a tongue in cheek comment here?

Yeh sorry just my guess of wissies answer.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The evidence for that was on our TV screens and his Twitter account all the time. He made up policy on the fly and believed himself over any kind of expert advice.

It's quite something when 'evidence' comes down to your opinion.

The evidence against this idea that Trump made his own policy without advice is so copious I just don't know what to say to you....Even in the anti Trump books, one of which I read, it's clear as day. But you seem incapable to adapting to actual 'evidence'.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As I have often said I am not a bag man for Biden. He is merely a bridge to the next generation on a road that leads away from Trumpism. His job was done once he ousted Trump. Now the job is to hold that line and ensure that there is no coming back. Whether the next generation is Republican, or Democrat the important thing is to make sure it isn't Trumpism. I have no concerns about that being given pathetic labels to try to discredit it. What matters is that it is achieved. There is as much work to be done within Republican ranks, as within the Democrats. McConnell has a vital role in doing that, as do the GOP members of the House Committee investigating the Jan 6th riot.

I realise I cannot make an ounce of difference alone but single voices who join with others can make enough noise to be noticed. What's important is to ensure the past doesn't get airbrushed out of history, just because the current POTUS faces the challenges that every POTUS does. They are especially problematical right now.

Your voice isn't 'joining with others', it's on a Hol football forum....wake up and smell the coffee WE...this is a place for letting off steam and nothing else. If you were serious about 'joining with others' you should be spending time on Twitter or something more mainstream.

The 'GOP' members on the Jan 6th committee have been ostracized from their own party. They won't and don't have any 'anti Trump' influence. To do that you have to carry actual weight in the GOP.

Your understanding of the GOP is extremely wide of the mark. I mean you were actually suggesting Mitt Romney would be a strong contender for post election leadership....I had to mock you then and it's a shame that you still don't have a clue about your political opposites rather than this exaggerated demonisation.

I'm not trying to disappoint you but Trump has far more backing in the GOP now than he even needs to run again....all this irrational hate just makes him stronger in his own party...hardly rocket science. The GOP is a Trump party now and as he's obviously decided to run again they will be right behind him.

He isn't my preferred candidate personally....There are lots of reasons but like I've said in the past I think both Trump and Biden are too old to be heading superpowers, let alone parties....even as figureheads.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2022 7.42pm)

 


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The day of 'invasion' 15th February 2021.

Live streaming from Kyev of the 'invasion.

But there was only light traffic and people going about their business.

Russians are rocking at the western media.

'As her guests laughed on, Skabeeva turned to the feed. ďThe livestream of Putinís invasion was run simultaneously on Britainís Reuters agency and the American CNN but the invasion didnít take place,Ē she said.'


 

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'Body bags will be returning to Moscow' - US govt.

Good grief.

 

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Ask Wisbech, he's the leader of the Biden fan club on here

Have to wonder if Trump colluded with Johnson in the £10,000 scam which " cost " WE 10K, which for the record, I do not believe.

Edited by HKOwen (16 Feb 2022 9.24pm)

 


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