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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 Feb 24 11.19pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by snytaxx

Odd that you list all kinds of people's opinions on here, very few of them providing anything else other than guardian style opinion and conjecture. Perhaps the odd half truth if we are lucky but ultimately lazy conclusion relying on the audience like you to just accept rather than question. However despite the lists of internet personalities, dating coaches, disgraced journalists etc you never want to actually listen to anyone from Ukraine despite insisting how both sides should be heard.

If you want to support Russia's 'right' to cancel a whole people , their culture and their history. Go for it mate, it's a free country. It's a shame you can't just be honest and talk about it.

There is no point conversing with you. I did that and anyone interested can read how that went. You seem to want to carry on a pointless continuation that's mostly built on unresolvable disagreement on the facts which then becomes insults and to be frank I can't be bothered with the continued roundabout.

Just have your opinion like everybody else. The strength of arguments will play out because while free speech exists both perspectives will be presented.

And people can decide upon what they wish to support and to what level.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2024 11.19pm)

 


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It's interesting that Carlson has contacted Zelensky for an interview as well.....Hopefully he interviews Snowden while he's in Russia.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There is no point conversing with you. I did that and anyone interested can read how that went. You seem to want to carry on a pointless continuation that's mostly built on unresolvable disagreement on the facts which then becomes insults and to be frank I can't be bothered with the continued roundabout.

Just have your opinion like everybody else. The strength of arguments will play out because while free speech exists both perspectives will be presented.

And people can decide upon what they wish to support and to what level.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2024 11.19pm)

You won't talk to me because I gently push back against the false reality you seem so eager to show everyone. Also could you please kindly point out where I have used insults?

Edited by snytaxx (07 Feb 2024 7.32am)

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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 07 Feb 24 10.27am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Cant wait for the Tucker Carlson interview

Edited by eaglesdare (07 Feb 2024 10.28am)

 

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View snytaxx's Profile snytaxx Flag London 07 Feb 24 5.07pm Send a Private Message to snytaxx Add snytaxx as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Cant wait for the Tucker Carlson interview

Edited by eaglesdare (07 Feb 2024 10.28am)

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Seems the EU is raising it's ugly head once again to censor and to fut sanctions on trucker.

 

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Originally posted by eaglesdare

Seems the EU is raising it's ugly head once again to censor and to fut sanctions on trucker.

These people are a parody of better stewards of previous managerial generations.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Feb 2024 6.50pm)

 


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Apparently the Tucker/Putin interview drops at 11 tonight.

Well, that wasn't right, but I'm hearing it's tonight.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2024 2.12pm)

 


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Plenty of dishonest misinformation here. Lets clear it up.

Firstly the tweet makes and provides no reference of the US state department other than to say it 'forced Ukraine'? How?

It actually just underlines a possible punishment floated in order punish people who dodge a potential draft which is not the same thing.

Here comes the classic truth fake combo which is common amongst pro russian crowd and 'media'.

The Ukrainian government does want to draft another 500,000 men in order to maintain a manpower advantage over the Russians who have been waging war against them for the last ten years. Thats the truth and hardly suprising, the issue at hand is 'how'?

Now the fake...Ukrainians parliament does not outlaw opposition parties. You can just look at that my checking the current make up of the Ukrainian parliament here:

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What actually happened was that after Russian openly invaded Ukraine, 11 parties with pro russian links were outlawed.

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This list pales into the list of opposition parties which are still operating in Ukraine.

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Hilariously the 'pro russian' group on here often tie the issue of free speech as a reason not to support Ukraine and closet support Russia, despite the fact that Russia openly restricts its opposition, jails and even murders its members. Lovely stuff (links available on request).

Finally, the link attempts to show how Ukraine is an autocracy waiting to be rescued by the Russians. But then links to a news story mentioning about how the law has been progressing through the Ukrainian legislature. The very same legislature that told its 'absolute dictator' Zelensky "no, do better". You know, kind of what a legislature if supposed to do.

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This of course is in contrast to the Russian Duma (that bastion of democracy) who passed 541 bills with 90% and about yes margins and definitely doesnt just rubber stamp Putin's opnion of the day

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Originally posted by snytaxx

Now the fake...Ukrainians parliament does not outlaw opposition parties.

11 parties with pro russian links were outlawed.

Life comes at you fast.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (08 Feb 2024 8.57pm)

 


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This thread has a lot of my perspective....which a lot of can be summed up by the videos on page 450.....However much of the other side which I'm interested in is battlefield reports.

Anyone out there who believes anything the mainstream media tells them about a war has to understand that much of what you will hear in that mainstream will be curated and filtered via intelligence and security services of either Nato or Russia. As anyone who has seen a bit of life will understand is that... outside of genuine mistakes....what you will get is misleading language and most of all...lies by omission in what is being covered because it won't follow their general narrative on a war.
Both sides do this within their mainstream media which most normies will live by and consider truth.

You can't just automatically 'pick a side' as it were and then believe everything that they say unless that side is intrinsically honest....which, I can't think of any example.

The person who is interested in getting nearest to the truth has to go looking for those whose past predictions and commentary most faithfully matched with what then happened. That's the criteria I use anyway.

There is a political position, which will depend upon your political view of past events and then there is the physical reality on the ground....the battlefield itself. Both are subject to lies and half truths but ultimately it's the battlefield realities that can't be lied about.

I have the sources that I use but if someone wants to follow a pro Ukrainian channel, run by a former soldier, which I've found to be far more sensible and honest than most I'll link it here.

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