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I would have thought the 'readers added context' would have been enough to probably work out that this one isnt real.

Asides from the original 'article' from The Intel Drop is basically a 'trust me bro'. The follow up video essentially has a 35 year old man (apparently) who despite being arrested I assume on terrorism / being a foriegn agent is just allowed to be sat on a chair with no form of restraint despite the fact that in pretty much every picture I can find of someone being held in Russian custody shows them caged and / or cuffed. Very generous of his captors I spose.

Oddly enough, i'd have thought given the sheer overwelming evidence on this one that the Russian media would be all over it. Apparently not, at time of writing in appears a man getting 3.5 years in jail for upsetting some Muslims in Russia (on the orders of Kyiv of course) gets more prime time.

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I've seen interviews with Ukrainian Pows much like this one. Aiden Aslin's interview is an example that can freely be seen on Youtube.

Still, there is no way of knowing what the truth is here, I wouldn't put it past either intelligence service.

In other news Macron has made the suggestion that Nato or perhaps he meant French troops could be used in Ukraine if it looks like Russia is winning....which rather predictably it is....Since the comment Germany, Poland, UK and Sweden have distanced themselves from the idea.

Macron is right about one thing, the only way Russia was ever going to be beaten in this war was via a fully committed Nato v Russia confrontation.....something that was never realistically on the cards due to both cost, both economic and human.

Thus they will try to keep up this disaster and bleed Russia instead (while Ukraine is destroyed).

Ukraine can't come to peace terms purely because no one is willing to be held to account for the defeat....Similar to an Arab leader making peace with Israel, it's a practical death wish.

As I said at the start the most sensible thing was to close the war down as soon as possible....but no, group think stupidity as usual. Now this is so much worse and considering Nato now want Ukraine to join..... it looks like Russia will just keep fighting until little remains of it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2024 2.49pm)

 


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Originally posted by snytaxx

I would have thought the 'readers added context' would have been enough to probably work out that this one isnt real.

Asides from the original 'article' from The Intel Drop is basically a 'trust me bro'. The follow up video essentially has a 35 year old man (apparently) who despite being arrested I assume on terrorism / being a foriegn agent is just allowed to be sat on a chair with no form of restraint despite the fact that in pretty much every picture I can find of someone being held in Russian custody shows them caged and / or cuffed. Very generous of his captors I spose.

Oddly enough, i'd have thought given the sheer overwelming evidence on this one that the Russian media would be all over it. Apparently not, at time of writing in appears a man getting 3.5 years in jail for upsetting some Muslims in Russia (on the orders of Kyiv of course) gets more prime time.

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Edited by snytaxx (27 Feb 2024 2.02pm)

The "readers added context" has just been added.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've seen interviews with Ukrainian Pows much like this one. Aiden Aslin's interview is an example that can freely be seen on Youtube.

Still, there is no way of knowing what the truth is here, I wouldn't put it past either intelligence service.


Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2024 2.49pm)

Or just a some people messing around in their mum's basement given how even the Russian media don't week to want to run with this one.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In other news Macron has made the suggestion that Nato or perhaps he meant French troops could be used in Ukraine if it looks like Russia is winning....which rather predictably it is....Since the comment Germany, Poland, UK and Sweden have distanced themselves from the idea.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2024 2.49pm)

Is Russia Winning? Like it's barely advanced more than a couple of kms since last year, its lost tens if not hundreds of thousands of troops, 10 aircraft worth $600 million USD in ten days and a third of its black sea fleet to a country that has no navy? Thats victory is it?

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Macron is right about one thing, the only way Russia was ever going to be beaten in this war was via a fully committed Nato v Russia confrontation.....something that was never realistically on the cards due to both cost, both economic and human.

Thus they will try to keep up this disaster and bleed Russia instead (while Ukraine is destroyed).

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2024 2.49pm)

No Macron is not right about this, for one thing he never said Russia can only be beaten with direct involvement of western troops, you just inserted your own (definitiely neutral) opinion in there. Here is the actual clip.

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What he (Macron) did say is that essentially Europe lacks consensus on how much assistance it should provide to Ukraine but nothing should be ruled out i.e. he thinks more should be done.


Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ukraine can't come to peace terms purely because no one is willing to be held to account for the defeat....Similar to an Arab leader making peace with Israel, it's a practical death wish.

As I said at the start the most sensible thing was to close the war down as soon as possible....but no, group think stupidity as usual. Now this is so much worse and considering Nato now want Ukraine to join..... it looks like Russia will just keep fighting until little remains of it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2024 2.49pm)


This is very contradictory. Yes Ukraine doesnt want to come to peace because it feels that its population wants to fight on and given the Kremlin consistently speaks of how its war goals in Ukraine still arent met, any 'peace' would only be temporary and benefit Russia.

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However despite acknowledging this, you still think Ukraine needs to capitulate as quickly as possible because you know better than the rest of us stupid group thinkers eh?

Here is some food for thought. What if the aim for Ukraine is just to make the war so costly for Russia that it gives in? The more Russia pushes the 'I can do this all day narrative', the more I think Ukraine is on to winner here.

 

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I'll answer some of this when I have the time and inclination. However, my interest in pointless time taking back and forths is much more limited at present.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'll answer some of this when I have the time and inclination. However, my interest in pointless time taking back and forths is much more limited at present.

Sure!

I might add one further question on if I may to add to the list. Seems alot of the narrative on here and twitter for opposing Ukrainian assistance is that helping Ukraine is favoured by the global elite i.e. the sunaks, marcons, bidens of this world etc.

If you (plural) think your establishment government is bad, out of touch, working against the common man so to speak as many on hear seem to think, all their decisions / political options also have to be bad right? Because to agree with them would be to agree with the elites (at least in part) no? Thus we end up with this sort of contrarianism where the enemy of my enemy becomes my friend (in this case Putin) regardless of the amount of evidence to show he is very much not my friend. So my question to you.

Is it possible that on this occasion, despite all the supposed wokery and out of touch EU elitism which a Ukrainian victory would likely shoe in to Ukraine. That actually the elites haven't got this one issue wrong and are actually trying to do right by the Ukrainian people? Even if they are wrong on pretty much all else?

 

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Originally posted by snytaxx


Here is some food for thought. What if the aim for Ukraine is just to make the war so costly for Russia that it gives in? The more Russia pushes the 'I can do this all day narrative', the more I think Ukraine is on to winner here.


Costly? The Russians have vast reserves of troops. Their war economy is starting to thrive, and their wider economy is doing well as well.

For perhaps the first time since the Wall fell, Russians are investing in Russia. All I see is a nation going from strength to strength.

Russia feeds itself. It heats itself. And now, invests in itself.

Sanctions? LOL.


 


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Originally posted by Matov


Costly? The Russians have vast reserves of troops. Their war economy is starting to thrive, and their wider economy is doing well as well.

For perhaps the first time since the Wall fell, Russians are investing in Russia. All I see is a nation going from strength to strength.

Russia feeds itself. It heats itself. And now, invests in itself.

Sanctions? LOL.


They have vast(er) quantities of people, how many of them will actually want to / be able to fight. Remember Russian uses conscription, many of its reserves are not voluntary but just ex concripts who did their national service, they would need to be pulled out from society meaning they are no longer generating wealth and sent to war. IF Russia has usable manpower for days, why does it need to recruit mercenaries in from Syria, empty its jails and conscript of the poorest echelons of society?

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What happens when those people run out and Moscowvites start getting conscripted on masse?

What about the mass exodus of its most intelligent (and wealth producing) young people? What if the war drags on and they choose not to come back?

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Who is gonna pay the compensation funds and injury pensions for all the dead and wounded? I guess they could pay them in all the food Russia grows for itself right?

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Next up ammo, If Russia is doing so well why is it buying shells from North Korea, Drones and missles from Iran? I thought Russia's war economy could provide for all no?

Finally even with the band aid on ammo, Russia is bleeding through its MBTs and IFVs at a almost 3:1 ratio. Eventually the Soviet stock pile runs dry, If the fields full of T-72s and T-90s are there just for instant activation. Why is Russia fielding T-62s and T-55s which are over 60 years old in some cases?

Why is the latest Russian tech such as the SU-57 or T-14 Armata not being deployed to Ukraine?

Please continue to tell me how Russia and Russians is / are having a lovely time.

 

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Originally posted by snytaxx

They have vast(er) quantities of people, how many of them will actually want to / be able to fight. Remember Russian uses conscription, many of its reserves are not voluntary but just ex concripts who did their national service, they would need to be pulled out from society meaning they are no longer generating wealth and sent to war. IF Russia has usable manpower for days, why does it need to recruit mercenaries in from Syria, empty its jails and conscript of the poorest echelons of society?

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What happens when those people run out and Moscowvites start getting conscripted on masse?

What about the mass exodus of its most intelligent (and wealth producing) young people? What if the war drags on and they choose not to come back?

[Link]

Who is gonna pay the compensation funds and injury pensions for all the dead and wounded? I guess they could pay them in all the food Russia grows for itself right?

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Next up ammo, If Russia is doing so well why is it buying shells from North Korea, Drones and missles from Iran? I thought Russia's war economy could provide for all no?

Finally even with the band aid on ammo, Russia is bleeding through its MBTs and IFVs at a almost 3:1 ratio. Eventually the Soviet stock pile runs dry, If the fields full of T-72s and T-90s are there just for instant activation. Why is Russia fielding T-62s and T-55s which are over 60 years old in some cases?

Why is the latest Russian tech such as the SU-57 or T-14 Armata not being deployed to Ukraine?

Please continue to tell me how Russia and Russians is / are having a lovely time.


It is as though we inhabit parallel universes. It genuinely feels like that when it comes to this wretched situation. I have to watch Europeans killing each other at the behest of non-Europeans for motives that make no sense other than making Europe weaker and more dependent on non-Europeans. And people like you literally lap up all the bulls*** and present it like somehow Russia is losing this war?

Are you really so incapable of actually digging below the surface of 'reports' from the likes of the BBC and Newsweek?

We live in a world in which the mainstream media told us Brexit would never happen. That Trump would never even get the Republican nomination let alone win. And now, that Russia are losing. LOL.

We live in end times for the West. It has never been so over.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

It is as though we inhabit parallel universes. It genuinely feels like that when it comes to this wretched situation. I have to watch Europeans killing each other at the behest of non-Europeans for motives that make no sense other than making Europe weaker and more dependent on non-Europeans.

Yet you support a dictator who openly recruits 'non european' soldiers and sends them into to terrorise a european population.

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Originally posted by Matov
And people like you literally lap up all the bulls*** and present it like somehow Russia is losing this war?

Those horrible people, looking at things like troop and equipment loses, the exodus of young people in Russia and Russia's inability to field modern equipment, the fact it lost a third of its fleet to a country with no navy and perhaps choosing to disagree with some alt right guy giving a podcast telling us 'it's only a matter of time - dont worry, Russia has totally got this bro' - what scum!

Originally posted by Matov

Are you really so incapable of actually digging below the surface of 'reports' from the likes of the BBC and Newsweek?

If 'nah nah, nah nah naahh you read the BBC' is really the best you have on this then I think that says alot. Still, if you really like I can show you some alternative media sources. I've got picture of a literal cube of crushed Russian conscripts left out in the summer heat. A video of a Russian war vet being mocked by his fellow citizens while attempted to board a bus or the video of a Russian AA crew blowing themselves up with their own missle. Which would you like?


Originally posted by Matov

We live in a world in which the mainstream media told us Brexit would never happen. That Trump would never even get the Republican nomination let alone win. And now, that Russia are losing. LOL.

I think you are confusing opinion journalism with reporting on actual events. Oddly enough, I have always felt the 'mainstream media' reporting on Ukraine to be very lazy at times as they have actually largely bought the 'russia stronk' line without ever really questioning it. Remember the 'its only a matter of time until kyiv falls' line? Still, I guess telling the truth in Russia can land you in Prison for many, many years so unsuprising that some choose a more distant and vague approach.

Originally posted by Matov

We live in end times for the West. It has never been so over.

Cheer up, at least you didn't end up in the mobik cube. Why not set a reminder next year to tell me how over everything is then, who knows maybe Russia might have won by then?

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Originally posted by snytaxx

Is Russia Winning? Like it's barely advanced more than a couple of kms since last year, its lost tens if not hundreds of thousands of troops, 10 aircraft worth 0 million USD in ten days and a third of its black sea fleet to a country that has no navy? Thats victory is it?

Blimey...I did what I wanted to avoid and wrote a long response. Let's not make a habit of it as I'm actually quite busy in life at the moment.

Anyway in answer:

Yes, Russia is winning.

If you have been following the actual battlefield situation you'd surely know that.

Russia's population size is something like three times Ukraine and that's ignoring that Ukraine has had significant population flight compared to Russia. So that means all that Russia has to do is match Ukraine in combat and not collapse financially and it wins.

The advantages for Russia stack up, I could go through them all but the most obvious one aside population is that it has far more artillery and shells than Ukraine/Nato and....and as most battlefield casualties are from artillery...whatever the causality figure is for Russia it'll be higher for Ukraine.

Russia's production capacity and alliances mean that it can...in my estimation....carry on without massively suffering for over two more years. I have to be honest and I don't think Ukraine has another year left in it....Not unless Nato gets involved and America really dips into its pockets...even then it just doesn't have the manpower.

I've always said that there is a win scenario for Nato/Ukraine but that it comes at quite a cost and not a little risk and its that cost that most governments aren't prepared to pay considering that in truth they know a negotiation is how this ends.

Regardless most of the sophisticated and/or long range weaponry and capabilities that Ukraine has are from Nato and their successes that they have with those...are mainly Nato's.

Personally I suspect that Nato have been operating far more in Ukraine than they have admitted to....We won't find out until later no doubt. For example what's the chances that the guys operating those Himars are Ukrainians?. I suspect not that high.

If those reports about 10 Russian aircraft are true, then that's Patriot systems being moved close to the front, which is a considerable risk with a multibillion system. Russia claim to have knocked out two of them over the week....as with all of these claims none of us can be sure without proper evidence (and even that can be faked now).....though you seem to take one side's claims as kosher.

Originally posted by snytaxx

No Macron is not right about this, for one thing he never said Russia can only be beaten with direct involvement of western troops, you just inserted your own (definitiely neutral) opinion in there. Here is the actual clip.

What he (Macron) did say is that essentially Europe lacks consensus on how much assistance it should provide to Ukraine but nothing should be ruled out i.e. he thinks more should be done.

I think I could have rephased that better. I didn't mean that Macron said that precise thing, what I meant was that he recognised that Ukraine didn't have the troop numbers to succeed against Russia....it would have to take most out of the economy, which would then economically collapse as it's being kept afloat as it is on loans anyway.

Europe is waiting for the US to financially keep Ukraine in the war....even though 60 billion is bare bones. Europe, as a whole, is looking to limit its financial exposure to Ukraine, the 50 billion they just gave is over four years and is about only a quarter of what Ukraine really needs to run properly.....All this was wholly predictable at the start....it was a US state department project from the start that they are roped into it....now rather dangerously.

Originally posted by snytaxx

This is very contradictory. Yes Ukraine doesnt want to come to peace because it feels that its population wants to fight on and given the Kremlin consistently speaks of how its war goals in Ukraine still arent met, any 'peace' would only be temporary and benefit Russia.

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However despite acknowledging this, you still think Ukraine needs to capitulate as quickly as possible because you know better than the rest of us stupid group thinkers eh?

Here is some food for thought. What if the aim for Ukraine is just to make the war so costly for Russia that it gives in? The more Russia pushes the 'I can do this all day narrative', the more I think Ukraine is on to winner here.

It's a bit more nuanced than that. The Ukrainian population has been told for two years that Ukraine will win. Similar to both Russian and Western media alternative views against war policies has been largely kept off the mainstream. So the expectation within these populations is high.

However, unlike you I wager that if the Ukrainian public were given a chance to end the war now I think they would take it. The elections have been suspended for three years and everybody says that it's the constitution..Well, this didn't stop the US pushing pretty hard for an election in Ukraine and the reality is that Zelensky wouldn't have it.....that's because Zelensky isn't as popular as the western media makes out.....He came to power promising peace with Russia and instead just did whatever the US told him to.

In terms of Russia, Putin has made it clear that the best offer for Ukraine was in 2022 and that it won't get those terms again. In fact, the recent announcement by the head of Nato that Ukraine will join it (not sure he can decide that without the next president agreeing)....well, anyway that pretty much ensures that Russia isn't going to stop now if Ukraine is going to continue to be used to threaten it.

Costly to Russia? Sure, however it's costly to Europe and ruinous to Ukraine....It's now a massive financial liability that will lose its independence regardless of how the war ends.

However, the war is existential for Ukraine and Russia. The idea that you can convince Russia to leave Ukraine is fantasy. It's just not going to happen. That kind of thinking rejected the peace process.


Originally posted by snytaxx

I might add one further question on if I may to add to the list. Seems alot of the narrative on here and twitter for opposing Ukrainian assistance is that helping Ukraine is favoured by the global elite i.e. the sunaks, marcons, bidens of this world etc.

If you (plural) think your establishment government is bad, out of touch, working against the common man so to speak as many on hear seem to think, all their decisions / political options also have to be bad right? Because to agree with them would be to agree with the elites (at least in part) no? Thus we end up with this sort of contrarianism where the enemy of my enemy becomes my friend (in this case Putin) regardless of the amount of evidence to show he is very much not my friend. So my question to you.

Is it possible that on this occasion, despite all the supposed wokery and out of touch EU elitism which a Ukrainian victory would likely shoe in to Ukraine. That actually the elites haven't got this one issue wrong and are actually trying to do right by the Ukrainian people? Even if they are wrong on pretty much all else?

I think this is a good question.

Initially...if you were bored enough...at the start of this thread I was quite favourable to Ukraine's position. It was only late on that my position changed once I had looked into both positions quite deeply.

However, that doesn't change the fact that I've always disagreed with Russia's decision to invade Ukraine. They invaded Ukraine under a complete wrong impression of what it would lead to.

However, the rights and wrongs of how the war came to be? On that I've always agreed more with the Russia position on that. From a utilitarian perspective...a practical reality perspective I consider the lead up to this war to be totally irrational and ruinous.

Stupid group think....follow the leader politics....similar as with covid.

Does my politics feed into this? It's a good question and I think I would be lying if I thought politics doesn't play into anyone's position on this....including mine. However, the Ukraine/Russia war has divided opinion within my own political sphere and there are plenty of people I align with who support this war.....So it's a difficult question to answer. Probably a question for anyone, including yourself.

I'm very distrusting of the State...that doesn't mean I think they lie about everything...but I don't just accept things as I did once upon a time....On these boards I was a neo con on Iraqi and Syria...I think I was proven mistaken on both...I was lied to.

Anyway I'll end with a quote from David Sacks the paypal co founder, which I pretty much agree with:

'The war in Ukraine is based on lies—lies about how it started, how it continues, and how it will end.

We are told that Ukraine is winning, when in fact it is losing. We are told that war makes NATO stronger, when in fact it weakens it. We are told that Ukraine's biggest problem is a lack of funds from the US Congress, when in fact the West cannot produce enough ammunition - a problem that will take years to solve. We are told that Russia is suffering heavy losses, when in fact Ukraine is running out of soldiers - another problem that cannot be solved with money.

We are told that peace is with us, when in fact the world majority considers US policy to be the height of stupidity. We are told that there is no possibility of peace, when in fact we have rejected many opportunities for a negotiated settlement. We are told that if Ukraine continues to fight, it will improve its negotiating position, when in fact the terms will only become much worse than those that were already available and rejected.
However, lies will manage to prolong the war. Congress will allocate more funds. Ukraine is mobilizing more young men and women to put them into the meat grinder. Ultimately, a crisis will erupt in Kyiv and the Zelensky government will be overthrown.

And then, when the war is finally lost, when the whole country lies in smoldering ruins on the funeral pyre that they themselves built, the liars will say: “Well, we tried.” Having prevented any alternative, having exposed anyone who spoke the truth as puppets of the enemy, the liars will say: “We did everything we could. <…> Then, having shifted the blame and patted themselves on the back, they will blithely move on to the next war, just as they moved to Ukraine after their disasters in Afghanistan and Iraq.'

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Feb 2024 6.57am)

 


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I've worked with Ukrainians in Wales, who are of fighting age.
If they didn't want to fight for their country, why should anyone else ?

 


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