You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > Let's Kick Politics out of Football ?
August 11 2022 10.02pm

Let's Kick Politics out of Football ?

Previous Topic | Next Topic


Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Mar 22 3.21pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

i will concede that the HF supporting the victims of the Croydon Tramlink accident is ok. But their opinions on, say, the Israel/Palestine conflict ? it is an anachronism.

Football club ownership, the cost of tickets and supporting the local food bank come to mind.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Mar 22 12.41pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Politics has been allowed into sport because commercial interests have been allowed to control politics.

It's not a coincidence

Every opportunity is now used to enforce right think, which itself is designed to make someone more profit.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Mar 22 1.24pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Yes another excellent point.

I know I went on a massive rant earlier but I really do struggle to take the messages seriously, not within themselves but in the context of who is promoting them. I fail to believe it is in the interests of anyone's hearts more so or even close to their pockets and thus it is not the messages themselves that people take issue with (I would hope not in any case) it is the reasoning/motivation behind the never ending bombardment. Hence, they have hijacked something many people hold most valuable in their lives, football.

Am I against all forms of war, racism, homophobia so on and so forth etc. Yes of course. Do I go to football on the weekend purely to watch my team, the sport I love, socialise, bond with others and enjoy myself? I most certainly do. However my passion for football is what is being abused and weaponized for ulterior motives.

Agree entirely. All sport is doing is reflecting the most currently acceptable opinions of certain events and causes - any players with different views wouldn’t be encouraged, to say the least. Reducing cultural, societal or political events to slogans, or Tweets, doesn’t help inform anyone’s thought processes.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
BlueJay Flag UK 14 Mar 22 10.23pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Politics has been allowed into sport because commercial interests have been allowed to control politics.

It's not a coincidence

Every opportunity is now used to enforce right think, which itself is designed to make someone more profit.

I find myself in agreement with this. Even if certain causes are worth highlighting, I'd rather individuals or groups highlight it off their own backs. As soon as something becomes commercial, it's essentially a business decision and not often based on genuine support for a cause. These businesses would happily hold the exact opposite view in a different culture if that was the profitable move.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Mar 22 10.32pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

I find myself in agreement with this. Even if certain causes are worth highlighting, I'd rather individuals or groups highlight it off their own backs. As soon as something becomes commercial, it's essentially a business decision and not often based on genuine support for a cause. These businesses would happily hold the exact opposite view in a different culture if that was the profitable move.

Far better articulated than my own fumbling attempts BlueJay & co. (though calm down it's not hard ). Absolutely agree with every word and again reiterate my stance I hope and would certainly like to think the actions/those behind them/their motives and not the causes/messages themselves are causing the agitation.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Beanyboysmd's Profile Beanyboysmd Flag 14 Mar 22 11.01pm Send a Private Message to Beanyboysmd Add Beanyboysmd as a friend

I believe we should scrap the monarchy, therefore playing god save the queen at the start of the FA cup final is a political statement. Never called for it to be scrapped though, just let it happen.

Its impossible to keep politics out of football because the definition of politics is nearly impossible to define. Is showing solidarity behind Ukraine politics? Or is it showing that the country almost universally showing how they feel about the whole thing?

Probably both. I think you dont like it because you dont agree with the message. I don't know what the technical term for a right wing tankie is but before this war there were a lot of them lurking around here...

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Mar 22 11.07pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

I believe we should scrap the monarchy, therefore playing god save the queen at the start of the FA cup final is a political statement. Never called for it to be scrapped though, just let it happen.

Its impossible to keep politics out of football because the definition of politics is nearly impossible to define. Is showing solidarity behind Ukraine politics? Or is it showing that the country almost universally showing how they feel about the whole thing?

Probably both. I think you dont like it because you dont agree with the message. I don't know what the technical term for a right wing tankie is but before this war there were a lot of them lurking around here...

Why can’t they just kick a ball for 90 minutes and then go home?

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
BlueJay Flag UK 14 Mar 22 11.18pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Far better articulated than my own fumbling attempts BlueJay & co. (though calm down it's not hard ). Absolutely agree with every word and again reiterate my stance I hope and would certainly like to think the actions/those behind them/their motives and not the causes/messages themselves are causing the agitation.

Cheers! Yes, well meaning consideration, and putting yourself in others shoes, is surely a positive especially when accompanied by something more than just a gesture (tho I appreciate that short of a slapping someone in the face repeatedly, EVERYTHING now including breathing is classified as 'virtue signalling'). It doesn't have to be part of politically pushed or commercialised band wagon of the moment through as you say, as that is often a bit 'token' and preachy while achieving very little - before moving onto the next thing.

I guess in football Rashford is the prime example of someone who has publicly tried to push and help certain causes with a bit of passion attached, but he gets flack from some quarters and 'why don't you just play football', so I guess doing anything opens you up to criticism really. Just have do the what you feel is the right thing for the right reasons in life I suppose, and tune out the noise .

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
BlueJay Flag UK 14 Mar 22 11.35pm

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

I believe we should scrap the monarchy, therefore playing god save the queen at the start of the FA cup final is a political statement. Never called for it to be scrapped though, just let it happen.

Its impossible to keep politics out of football because the definition of politics is nearly impossible to define. Is showing solidarity behind Ukraine politics? Or is it showing that the country almost universally showing how they feel about the whole thing?

Probably both. I think you dont like it because you dont agree with the message. I don't know what the technical term for a right wing tankie is but before this war there were a lot of them lurking around here...

You make a decent point, as there is whole poppy situation and where people fall on that. Politics in some way, big or small will always creep back in and football on occasion, as clubs are often the heart of a community and its values. And how far do we take it? For instance, if we banned all political expression, what if say someone is waving a Ukrainian flag from the terraces? Do we ban them? And if not, well then political statements will happen regardless. What about the messages of Newcastle fans to Saudi owners? They were investigated by police.. I don't think things are so simple, as there end up being aspects of freedom of speech at play too.

No easy answers, other than to say I'm pretty sure you could find a 'I want politics kicked out of football.. but not that.. that's different' exception for almost anyone who wants politics out of the game.



 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 15 Mar 22 7.58am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

I believe we should scrap the monarchy, therefore playing god save the queen at the start of the FA cup final is a political statement. Never called for it to be scrapped though, just let it happen.

Its impossible to keep politics out of football because the definition of politics is nearly impossible to define. Is showing solidarity behind Ukraine politics? Or is it showing that the country almost universally showing how they feel about the whole thing?

Probably both. I think you dont like it because you dont agree with the message. I don't know what the technical term for a right wing tankie is but before this war there were a lot of them lurking around here...

I'd agree to an extent with that.

While I don't agree with the far leftist view that everything is racist, I've always thought that....to an extent....that everything is political for the very reason that the 'political' can be seen far more generally while I'd argue that the racial is more a subset and distinct.

Nevertheless I think it's just best for sport to try very hard not to be political precisely because that divides and excludes....sport is meant to be an escape, not thought messaging.

One of the only sports to keep politics....or rather change, away from its events is boxing. Boxing seems inherently conservative....not in the political sense but in the conserving sense. It's one of the reasons it's been doing very well.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Mar 2022 8.01am)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Slimey Toad's Profile Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 15 Mar 22 8.58am Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Why not extend to all entertainment? Rebel Wilson's finger to Putin was so cringingly embarrassing it proved yet again what a fairyland bubble these people live in.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
BlueJay Flag UK 16 Mar 22 12.02am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Why not extend to all entertainment? Rebel Wilson's finger to Putin was so cringingly embarrassing it proved yet again what a fairyland bubble these people live in.

But at the same time let's not have more of an issue with a celebrity giving the middle finger, than Putins meat grinder of women and children.

I get how ridiculous celebrity contributions can often be, but with the Russia invasion we also see the cowardice from the other perspective of people scared of Putin not getting his way. This lot are lot deserving of each other in my view.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply

 

Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > Let's Kick Politics out of Football ?