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WE has zero credibility on anything related to Trump or Biden.

The electing of the Democrats and Biden specifically has placed the world into great danger.

Biden weak mental ability projects weakness and uncertainty and his frequent gaffes have even the French publicly issuing frustration at the harm he does.

I doubt that this invasion would have even happened with Trump....the economic mess, with energy and food prices spiraling wouldn't have happened to anything like the same extent.

The Democrats are rightly going to pay the price in November, they have been even worse for America than I predicted after the election.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 10.13am)

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

That might have relevance with regards to ancestry or appearance, but thatís it. Theyíre about as Irish as Clinton Morrison or Andy Townsend. How many of them are Irish only and no other British aisles or European blood.

Find a (usually) white Brit and there is likely to be Irish in them. Something Irish diaspora (not just in the US) fail to understand. It hurts their remote, simplistic, binary viewpoint.

In fact there is a great deal Irish Americans simply can't comprehend about the realities of Irish history. They should try reading a book on it, preferably written by an Irishman. Thus, Americans cannot accept any other position other than their "fact" that "the Troubles" began when Britain "invaded" Ireland - yup, they actually believe that.

Had they not been so ignorant, perhaps they would not have funded republican terrorists for decades with the cash flow only stopping after 9/11 when they got to understand the consequences of terrorism in their own backyard.

 

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Originally posted by HKOwen

Extraordinary to opine that Biden is ok because he isn't Trump

That's basically what the slim majority of voting Americans did in November 2020.

 


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Itís curious that Biden was older at his inauguration than Reagan was when he left office but Reagan was frequently said to be too old for the job.
Subsequent revelations about Reaganís mental capacity seem to confirm the point.

 

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Originally posted by HKOwen

Extraordinary to opine that Biden is ok because he isn't Trump

What I said, and have said many times before, is that Biden did his job when he beat Trump. He was always going to be a stop-gap.

I have no special regard for him, but Donald Duck would have been better than Trump. Anyone who listens would. The quacking relatively is unimportant and can be dealt with.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

WE has zero credibility on anything related to Trump or Biden.

The electing of the Democrats and Biden specifically has placed the world into great danger.

Biden weak mental ability projects weakness and uncertainty and his frequent gaffes have even the French publicly issuing frustration at the harm he does.

I doubt that this invasion would have even happened with Trump....the economic mess, with energy and food prices spiraling wouldn't have happened to anything like the same extent.

The Democrats are rightly going to pay the price in November, they have been even worse for America than I predicted after the election.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 10.13am)

Despite what I said up the thread about Putin timing this, I am not sure about this statement. Putin intervened in the US elections (or else tried to) to get Trump in precisely because he was considered pro Putin and because of his non-interventionist approach to world affairs.

Thus, what would Trump have done to make the invasion less likely and / or successful? One likely scenario is that he would have said that he is not going to risk any American lives or resources in intervening to save that "sh1thole". Zero US dollars would have been spent in supplying weapons and intelligence to protect Ukraine.

If that was followed, the war would likely be over by now and Ukraine may well be part of the Russian Federation with a list of Ukrainians facing show trials for "corruption", "embezzlement" and other fictitious offences. Tensions would rise and the military presence would step up in the former eastern Bloc countries.

It would be very bad.

Meanwhile, the West would stand by wringing its hands in frustrated despair, with Trump continuing to direct US resources to stemming the un-stemmable tide of Chinese advance.

Of course, I can see the flaw in this argument. If that were so, Putin would have sent the boys in while Trump was in power. Like Israel rushes in land grabs, bombings and other Palestinian oppressive acts quickly before the Democrats get in.

Then again, perhaps the possible intervention of the US didn't feature that highly? Maybe he chose his time based on military preparation, the intelligence his own people supplied, the fact that he needed to ensure his power was absolute and untouchable at home, reassurances of neutrality from the Chinese and so on. However, maybe he just got it all horribly wrong precisely because he trusted those who said "yes" and got rid of those who said "no".

 

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Originally posted by silvertop

Despite what I said up the thread about Putin timing this, I am not sure about this statement. Putin intervened in the US elections (or else tried to) to get Trump in precisely because he was considered pro Putin and because of his non-interventionist approach to world affairs.

Thus, what would Trump have done to make the invasion less likely and / or successful? One likely scenario is that he would have said that he is not going to risk any American lives or resources in intervening to save that "sh1thole". Zero US dollars would have been spent in supplying weapons and intelligence to protect Ukraine.

If that was followed, the war would likely be over by now and Ukraine may well be part of the Russian Federation with a list of Ukrainians facing show trials for "corruption", "embezzlement" and other fictitious offences. Tensions would rise and the military presence would step up in the former eastern Bloc countries.

It would be very bad.

Meanwhile, the West would stand by wringing its hands in frustrated despair, with Trump continuing to direct US resources to stemming the un-stemmable tide of Chinese advance.

Of course, I can see the flaw in this argument. If that were so, Putin would have sent the boys in while Trump was in power. Like Israel rushes in land grabs, bombings and other Palestinian oppressive acts quickly before the Democrats get in.

Then again, perhaps the possible intervention of the US didn't feature that highly? Maybe he chose his time based on military preparation, the intelligence his own people supplied, the fact that he needed to ensure his power was absolute and untouchable at home, reassurances of neutrality from the Chinese and so on. However, maybe he just got it all horribly wrong precisely because he trusted those who said "yes" and got rid of those who said "no".


Obviously what I'm saying is my opinion.

To support why I think a Ukraine invasion was less likely under Trump we have the reality that no build up of Russia forces happened until Biden took over and after Afghanistan....it seems obvious to me that the Afghanistan debacle was the final confirmation to Putin on how the US would react.

Secondly, Trump is not a Nato fan....and as I've said, Nato's behaviour in these last 30 years has some responsibility to leading us here. The one person Putin could talk to over concerns in Ukraine was Trump. A summit with Trump might even have been able to resolve this situation.

How Trump would have responded if the Russian invasion had occurred isn't known for sure.....that's partly the point....Trump is unpredictable and has pride.

I just don't see this war under Trump.

If it had happened I doubt the actual response would have been that different.....Trump basically gave the military the lead during his presidency and the Pentagon would be running the show.

That's happening now of course but before that they had to overrule Blinken on jets and of course the idiot Biden has gaffed just about every time he opens his mouth.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

WE has zero credibility on anything related to Trump or Biden.

The electing of the Democrats and Biden specifically has placed the world into great danger.

Biden weak mental ability projects weakness and uncertainty and his frequent gaffes have even the French publicly issuing frustration at the harm he does.

I doubt that this invasion would have even happened with Trump....the economic mess, with energy and food prices spiraling wouldn't have happened to anything like the same extent.

The Democrats are rightly going to pay the price in November, they have been even worse for America than I predicted after the election.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 10.13am)

That's just BS. The USA isn't Biden. He is merely the current POTUS. He has had the good sense to assemble an experienced team around him who listen to the advice of the professionals who support them. Biden is a figurehead. Sure, he stumbles and sometimes appears to make gaffs, but you can now feel confident that there aren't going to be any stupid decisions made by a man who only listens to his own self-righteousness.

Of course, the invasion would have happened had Trump remained as POTUS. The difference would have been that the response would have been much weaker. Trump was trying to emasculate Nato and would not have sent weapons to Ukraine or troops to bordering countries. Trump envies Putin's power over his people and owes him for the support he was given in 2016. This would have been much worse if Trump was still there. Not maybe in the short-term, as Ukraine would have folded quickly, and the energy and food crisis ameliorated, but the threats to the rest of Europe would have got markedly worse. Short-termism is the greatest weakness we face.

No, we need to deal with this, and the time to do it is now. The USA has shown leadership and resolve under the Biden administration. Which ought to be welcomed by us all.

 

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'WE has zero credibility on anything related to Trump or Biden.'

Exhibit exemplar.

He can't take truth to sour.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 11.22am)

 


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Originally posted by silvertop

Despite what I said up the thread about Putin timing this, I am not sure about this statement. Putin intervened in the US elections (or else tried to) to get Trump in precisely because he was considered pro Putin and because of his non-interventionist approach to world affairs.

Thus, what would Trump have done to make the invasion less likely and / or successful? One likely scenario is that he would have said that he is not going to risk any American lives or resources in intervening to save that "sh1thole". Zero US dollars would have been spent in supplying weapons and intelligence to protect Ukraine.

If that was followed, the war would likely be over by now and Ukraine may well be part of the Russian Federation with a list of Ukrainians facing show trials for "corruption", "embezzlement" and other fictitious offences. Tensions would rise and the military presence would step up in the former eastern Bloc countries.

It would be very bad.

Meanwhile, the West would stand by wringing its hands in frustrated despair, with Trump continuing to direct US resources to stemming the un-stemmable tide of Chinese advance.

Of course, I can see the flaw in this argument. If that were so, Putin would have sent the boys in while Trump was in power. Like Israel rushes in land grabs, bombings and other Palestinian oppressive acts quickly before the Democrats get in.

Then again, perhaps the possible intervention of the US didn't feature that highly? Maybe he chose his time based on military preparation, the intelligence his own people supplied, the fact that he needed to ensure his power was absolute and untouchable at home, reassurances of neutrality from the Chinese and so on. However, maybe he just got it all horribly wrong precisely because he trusted those who said "yes" and got rid of those who said "no".

I am glad to see someone else making what seems to me to be completely obvious points.

Appeasement has a history of failure.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'WE has zero credibility on anything related to Trump or Biden.'

Exhibit exemplar.

He can't take truth to sour.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 11.22am)

Reading your analysis of what would have happened should a disastrous second term for Trump have happened rather diminishes any suggestions that contrary views have no credibility.

Which is credible will always be a matter of opinion, but it seems that almost the entire western world disagrees with you.

Appeasement and the pursuit of short-term objectives might be the comfort blankets of politicians needing to get re-elected, but they don't serve the people's ultimate best interests.

Lessons have been learned. We stood back when Putin walked into Crimea. Ignored what was done in Syria. Let him support "separatists" in eastern Ukraine. The line ought to have been drawn before. It has been now. There are dangers whatever course is taken. There will be pain with this one. But it's the right one.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Obviously what I'm saying is my opinion.

To support why I think a Ukraine invasion was less likely under Trump we have the reality that no build up of Russia forces happened until Biden took over and after Afghanistan....it seems obvious to me that the Afghanistan debacle was the final confirmation to Putin on how the US would react.

Secondly, Trump is not a Nato fan....and as I've said, Nato's behaviour in these last 30 years has some responsibility to leading us here. The one person Putin could talk to over concerns in Ukraine was Trump. A summit with Trump might even have been able to resolve this situation.

How Trump would have responded if the Russian invasion had occurred isn't known for sure.....that's partly the point....Trump is unpredictable and has pride.

I just don't see this war under Trump.

If it had happened I doubt the actual response would have been that different.....Trump basically gave the military the lead during his presidency and the Pentagon would be running the show.

That's happening now of course but before that they had to overrule Blinken on jets and of course the idiot Biden has gaffed just about every time he opens his mouth.

The difference is that Biden gaffs at what he has written for him (and so those behind him can say what he meant to say) whereas Trump said the first thing that came into his head where it was less easy for those he hasn't yet fired to fire fight his gaffs.

Also, you make out unpredictable as if it were a good thing. It is not. Commerce and the military alike cannot plan with unpredictable.

 

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