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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Reading your analysis of what would have happened should a disastrous second term for Trump have happened rather diminishes any suggestions that contrary views have no credibility.

Which is credible will always be a matter of opinion, but it seems that almost the entire western world disagrees with you.

Appeasement and the pursuit of short-term objectives might be the comfort blankets of politicians needing to get re-elected, but they don't serve the people's ultimate best interests.

Lessons have been learned. We stood back when Putin walked into Crimea. Ignored what was done in Syria. Let him support "separatists" in eastern Ukraine. The line ought to have been drawn before. It has been now. There are dangers whatever course is taken. There will be pain with this one. But it's the right one.

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So what would you have done? Had your second cold war then?

So when the House of Saud started bombing Yemen....Does that mean we don't buy oil from them then?

Nonsense.....no wonder you support Biden.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

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So what would you have done? Had your second cold war then?

So when the House of Saud started bombing Yemen....Does that mean we don't buy oil from them then?

Nonsense.....no wonder you support Biden.

Do you get these ideas from RT? Or from InfoWars? At least it puts the idea that I have no credibility to rest when you make claims like this.

To compare the situations in Yemen, nasty though it undoubtedly is, with what Putin has done with Ukraine, is to make another attempt at comparing chalk with cheese. The Iranian backed Houthi movement are a universe away from the sovereign nation that is Ukraine. For sure, a peace deal is urgently needed in Yemen, but there is no threat there to any Nato member, or world peace.

It has nothing to do with any "support for Biden", which is a nonsensical concept anyway. I support the USA's leadership on the Nato response to Putin's invasion and brutal war.

 

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He hasn't done a lot and probably won't do a lot either. He'll be knackered after his trip to Poland and sleep for weeks now.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you get these ideas from RT? Or from InfoWars? At least it puts the idea that I have no credibility to rest when you make claims like this.

To compare the situations in Yemen, nasty though it undoubtedly is, with what Putin has done with Ukraine, is to make another attempt at comparing chalk with cheese. The Iranian backed Houthi movement are a universe away from the sovereign nation that is Ukraine. For sure, a peace deal is urgently needed in Yemen, but there is no threat there to any Nato member, or world peace.

It has nothing to do with any "support for Biden", which is a nonsensical concept anyway. I support the USA's leadership on the Nato response to Putin's invasion and brutal war.

So to state the obvious means I watch RT or InfoWars does it.....Do you even know what is said on those channels because I don't. Can we even get RT?

Your dismissal of Yemen is quite incredible statement.....just made with nothing to back it. Innocent people dying there bleed the same blood as in Ukraine don't they? But I noticed no great big moral obsession over that one.

The Ukraine was the most corrupt state in Europe (mmm...wonder why the Bidens were there).

My original contention stands, the idea that you would have a cold war over the Crimea is nutty....it's practically fully Russian.


Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 7.50pm)

 


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I don't watch much mainstream stuff and I've never been much for RT or indeed Infowars....Infowars is very US based.....and Alex Jones is mainly a guilty pleasure for his comedy turns or Rogan appearances.

What I watch is mainly on telegram and involves raw footage coming from the front put up there by both Russian and Ukrainian forces. I can tell you that the Geneva convention is not being followed at all.

Some of it is quite grisly and there are significant war crimes going on. I know the knee capping video by the Ukrainians on Russian pows is particularly brutal and is being used by Russian commanders to tell troops not to surrender.....There is some terrible stuff going on....some I just don't want to mention....sick fecks.

I have no doubt that the Russians are doing war crimes too though they don't seem to be filming it as much.....we know though that Russians have been shooting civilians and hell....when you drop bombs in civilian areas essentially babies die in the rubble.

From what I've seen it's only going to get worse....if you get caught It looks better to put a bullet through your head.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 8.44pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So to state the obvious means I watch RT or InfoWars does it.....Do you even know what is said on those channels because I don't. Can we even get RT?

Your dismissal of Yemen is quite incredible statement.....just made with nothing to back it. Innocent people dying there bleed the same blood as in Ukraine don't they? But I noticed no great big moral obsession over that one.

The Ukraine was the most corrupt state in Europe (mmm...wonder why the Bidens were there).

My original contention stands, the idea that you would have a cold war over the Crimea is nutty....it's practically fully Russian.


Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 7.50pm)

It's not the least incredible. It's the truth. Try studying the history of the conflict before making stupid remarks. There's loads to back it up but, as you are so fond of saying, I am not your researcher.

I am not dismissing in any way the suffering of the innocent people there, which is why I said, and mean, that a peace deal is urgently needed.

The sole point I was making was regarding the international context and potential to spread beyond its current borders. You might not care about that, but I do.

Whether, or not, Ukraine was the most corrupt state in Europe is an irrelevance, as is your pathetic side snipe at Biden, a subject you are becoming increasingly tedious about. Nothing at all justifies Putin's invasion and nothing that Ukraine may, or may not be, diminishes the threat to other countries of failing to respond.

We should have nipped this in the bud when he went into Crimea. Putin should have been made a pariah then. Cultural and sporting links should have been cut. He should have been cold shouldered everywhere. We should have immediately given notice of our intention to stop buying energy from Russia. The financial Cold War could have been kept in reserve. Nato should have beefed up its defensive capabilities on its eastern flank and served notice that enough was enough. That might have stopped this!

You are a user of Gab. RT can be found there and there are thousands, maybe even millions of web users circulating Alex Jones's nonsense. If it reaches me, and it does, then I am sure you can access it too.


Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Mar 2022 8.57pm)

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's not the least incredible. It's the truth. Try studying the history of the conflict before making stupid remarks. There's loads to back it up but, as you are so fond of saying, I am not your researcher.

I didn't tell you to research did I.

Honestly sometimes it's like replying to a child.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not dismissing in any way the suffering of the innocent people there, which is why I said, and mean, that a peace deal is urgently needed.

The sole point I was making was regarding the international context and potential to spread beyond its current borders. You might not care about that, but I do.

So the Yemeni war, which you completely ignored and are prepared to take no action over is one thing....and the Ukrainian war, which you are prepared to put hundreds of millions at risk over but in increased death and lower living standards.

That's war is so much important because.....borders....apparently the guy happy for immigration now cares about borders. Well Putin has never made a threat to invade a Nato country....he doesn't have the conventional military to take over Europe....it's so childish.

You're so obvious it's a joke.


Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whether, or not, Ukraine was the most corrupt state in Europe is an irrelevance, as is your pathetic side snipe at Biden, a subject you are becoming increasingly tedious about. Nothing at all justifies Putin's invasion and nothing that Ukraine may, or may not be, diminishes the threat to other countries of failing to respond.

It wasn't an irrelevance to Biden....it was a nice way to corruptly get money into his family.

It's a strawman to talk about justifying Putin's invasion.


Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We should have nipped this in the bud when he went into Crimea. Putin should have been made a pariah then. Cultural and sporting links should have been cut. He should have been cold shouldered everywhere. We should have immediately given notice of our intention to stop buying energy from Russia. The financial Cold War could have been kept in reserve. Nato should have beefed up its defensive capabilities on its eastern flank and served notice that enough was enough. That might have stopped this!

You are a user of Gab. RT can be found there and there are thousands, maybe even millions of web users circulating Alex Jones's nonsense. If it reaches me, and it does, then I am sure you can access it too.


Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Mar 2022 8.57pm)

Crimea is mostly Russian. They don't want to be a part of the Ukrainian state. Are you saying you are against the majorities of a people to decide on statehood? Isn't that against the UN charter?

I don't have an objection to Nato beefing up conventional defensive weapons after 2014....not nuclear ones. As for stopping Putin....No, I've been researching this and....while I'm not going to go into it.....only a neutral government in Ukraine would have done that.

This war is a complete and utter feck up.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 9.19pm)

 


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Get a room you two!!!

 


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Originally posted by Nicholas91

Get a room you two!!!

I know, I know, but he writes such inane crap it winds me up.

No wonder he loves Joe Biden, he's got about the same level and grasp of reality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 10.01pm)

 


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I am a user of Gab, I'm a user of several platforms. Nevertheless Alex Jones isn't really my thing.

 


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Originally posted by Nicholas91

Get a room you two!!!

They should be given their own seperate forum.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Crimea is mostly Russian. They don't want to be a part of the Ukrainian state. Are you saying you are against the majorities of a people to decide on statehood? Isn't that against the UN charter?

I don't have an objection to Nato beefing up conventional defensive weapons after 2014....not nuclear ones. As for stopping Putin....No, I've been researching this and....while I'm not going to go into it.....only a neutral government in Ukraine would have done that.

This war is a complete and utter feck up.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2022 9.19pm)

You could apply that logic to a huge number of scenarios. When Russia annexed Crimea, it held a referendum with its troops still on the streets, and with a loaded question. It got a 97% yes. With a gun at my head, I would probably have voted yes too! Nobody trusts the result. Just because people are ethnically Russian doesn't mean they want to be part of Russia. Economically and politically, they would be better off with a western facing Ukraine. Apparently there are many Russian speakers fighting for Ukraine. It's a complex situation which Putin presents in a simple way. The plain fact is, he invaded then, as he has invaded now. Putin doesn't care about the people of Crimea any more than he cares about those in Donbass. He wants to control the Black Sea ports and cut off Ukrainian export routes. This is about power. It has zilch to do with liberation.

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What weapons Nato decides to deploy, and where, will solely depend on their assessment of what will best deter Russian aggression. As soon as the threat levels go down, so can the level of defensive and deterrent capabilities. I am no more competent to judge that than you.

What government exists in Ukraine is for the people of Ukraine to determine. We have no more right to impose anything on them, neutrality included, than Putin has.

 

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