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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 26 Apr 22 10.39am Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by ripleyeagle
If you look at the Premier League highlights (on SKY if you have it), you will see that Leeds did not have one single attack shown; it was all Palace. We now have 38 points; Watford can only get a maximum of 37, and Norwich 36. Only one place to fight for...
I thought it was a good 0-0 to watch as I thought it was only us that looked like scoring.It seemed easier to contain Leeds than the chaos football played under their previous manager.Where are all the Joel Ward knockers? I thought he was fantastic last night and obviously PV rates him highly to play him on his wrong side as well.Our two centre backs are silky smooth and touch wood seem to be non injury prone due to their great reading of threats and as so rarely need to be diving in with last ditch tackles, except one example from Anderson on the half way line last night.If we can keep CG next season and bring in a couple of players next year to improve our play in the final third of the pitch we will be winning tight games like this next season.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Apr 22 10.53am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Most teams used to play with two strikers.
When crosses were played in one striker would attack the near post and the other would move to the far post so whether a cross was over or under hit there was a chance that a striker would be at the end of a cross.
With the trend of playing one striker crosses can appear aimless if they are not actually spot on.
You are relying on attacking midfielders to get in the box to support the lone striker, which Gallagher was doing effectively at the beginning of the season.

I am of a certain vintage and I recall Toshack & Keegan, Warboys & Bannister.

 

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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 26 Apr 22 10.55am Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I am of a certain vintage and I recall Toshack & Keegan, Warboys & Bannister.

Flanagan and Allen ;-)

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Apr 22 11.00am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by palace chick

Flanagan and Allen ;-)

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View mtp1958's Profile mtp1958 Flag Grays 26 Apr 22 11.18am Send a Private Message to mtp1958 Add mtp1958 as a friend

Originally posted by palace chick

Flanagan and Allen ;-)

yes didnt work that well , wright and bright still would like to see edouard and Matty playing more together but cant see that happening

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 26 Apr 22 11.22am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

They were certainly better than our pair

 


Never be Two Faced, Always Say What You Think, keep Chilled, Man

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 26 Apr 22 11.59am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I think you are right there Willo, if I have one criticism of Mateta it is his movement inside the box, it does not suit his position in the team IMHO.

There are usually a few times, as there were yesterday, when you do question why he moves as he does.

One in particular for me was in the second half, we'd worked the ball out to the right quite well and Wilf had the opportunity to put one in, as he did. Now, you can blame the midfield and others for not supporting but strangely Mateta was the only player in the box and ran towards the near post with Wilfs decent looking cross inevitably going over his head and to nobody. The instinct was to blame Wilf for crossing aimlessly but Mateta, being the Centre Forward (+ 6ft3" ) and only player in the box, ran to a position that was nigh impossible to score from, which I found very odd (and irritating).

I distinctly remember on numerous occasions overhearing forwards being told, and this has been echoed by many in the professional game down the years, that Strikers should aim to always be 'between the sticks' when the ball is coming into the box. If you are forever lurking beyond the back post or running past the near, you are far less likely, if at all, to score.

Edited by Nicholas91 (26 Apr 2022 9.42am)

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I distinctly recall that hearing that strikers should Gamble - particularily at the near post.

Really we need more than one Player in the box making different runs.

If you think about it, the near post Gamble is a good one, as there's less chance that a defender will intercept, and the striker will get to the cross first. you can't score if you don't get the ball.


 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 26 Apr 22 12.44pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I distinctly recall that hearing that strikers should Gamble - particularily at the near post.

Really we need more than one Player in the box making different runs.

If you think about it, the near post Gamble is a good one, as there's less chance that a defender will intercept, and the striker will get to the cross first. you can't score if you don't get the ball.


Agree to a certain extent and yes I think we definitely need more players in the box when out wide. Gallagher likes to lurk on edge of the box, I'd say rightly so, and the wingers usually on the other side.

My argument was more around him being the only striker/player in the mix however. You say the 'gamble' and for me it is a gamble, one that rarely pays off when you're the only man there - a defender will track you... at least one.

Just my opinion, but I'd like to see our well over 6 foot striker in the middle of the box waiting to attack a header as opposed to trying to make clever runs and seeing the ball constantly either be headed clear of fly over his own. The 'clever runs' for me are more for a winger or midfielder arriving, well timed, into the mix. Again, if you want a striker to 'gamble' then you need other players in there too for occupying both the minds and eyes of defenders.

I'm not saying that I am right here, in either my thinking or preference, it is just my perspective.

Also, slightly off topic, but was anybody else as equally disappointed in our corners yesterday? There were a couple of good deliveries from FKs but I find it insane a corner cannot be taken effectively by a professional in this day and age????

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Apr 22 12.55pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I distinctly recall that hearing that strikers should Gamble - particularily at the near post.

Really we need more than one Player in the box making different runs.

If you think about it, the near post Gamble is a good one, as there's less chance that a defender will intercept, and the striker will get to the cross first. you can't score if you don't get the ball.


I have immediately thought of Olivier Giroud who attacked the near post at crosses and was very adept at getting across defenders in this position.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 26 Apr 22 1.51pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I think you are right there Willo, if I have one criticism of Mateta it is his movement inside the box, it does not suit his position in the team IMHO.

There are usually a few times, as there were yesterday, when you do question why he moves as he does.

One in particular for me was in the second half, we'd worked the ball out to the right quite well and Wilf had the opportunity to put one in, as he did. Now, you can blame the midfield and others for not supporting but strangely Mateta was the only player in the box and ran towards the near post with Wilfs decent looking cross inevitably going over his head and to nobody. The instinct was to blame Wilf for crossing aimlessly but Mateta, being the Centre Forward (+ 6ft3" ) and only player in the box, ran to a position that was nigh impossible to score from, which I found very odd (and irritating).

I distinctly remember on numerous occasions overhearing forwards being told, and this has been echoed by many in the professional game down the years, that Strikers should aim to always be 'between the sticks' when the ball is coming into the box. If you are forever lurking beyond the back post or running past the near, you are far less likely, if at all, to score.

Edited by Nicholas91 (26 Apr 2022 9.42am)

Couldn't disagree more. JPM's best attribute is his movement. His near post and far post chances both came from his excellent movement.

Finding space and attacking areas is the name of the game. Not just hanging around. If that's what you want, Christian is good at that. Hardly moving and expecting you to put it on his head.

Movement also pulls defenders out of position and creates space for others.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 26 Apr 22 2.54pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Couldn't disagree more. JPM's best attribute is his movement. His near post and far post chances both came from his excellent movement.

Finding space and attacking areas is the name of the game. Not just hanging around. If that's what you want, Christian is good at that. Hardly moving and expecting you to put it on his head.

Movement also pulls defenders out of position and creates space for others.

That's fair enough and you're entitled to that opinion. I'm not massively criticising him, it's just my take.

Also, I wasn't criticising him for moving however rather the movement itself which you seem to suggest. With regards to pulling defenders out of position and creating space for others, that only works if you're flooding the box and in my opinion, we have not been doing that. I hate that, when people propose the polar opposite to something you've commented on and insist it's your opinion.

I of course want the Striker to move, but preferably into spaces where he is going to be best placed to score. He was making the sort of runs yesterday that I expect from the wingers or midfielders. I feel as though I have already covered this, and as previously stated I am not saying I am 100% right but the only time he looked like scoring yesterday were his header and the ball from Ayew, both times in front of the goal. Other days, they may well have gone in as Mateta has far outperformed my initial expectations of him which most importantly has included scoring goals.

 


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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 26 Apr 22 3.24pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

That's fair enough and you're entitled to that opinion. I'm not massively criticising him, it's just my take.

Also, I wasn't criticising him for moving however rather the movement itself which you seem to suggest. With regards to pulling defenders out of position and creating space for others, that only works if you're flooding the box and in my opinion, we have not been doing that. I hate that, when people propose the polar opposite to something you've commented on and insist it's your opinion.

I of course want the Striker to move, but preferably into spaces where he is going to be best placed to score. He was making the sort of runs yesterday that I expect from the wingers or midfielders. I feel as though I have already covered this, and as previously stated I am not saying I am 100% right but the only time he looked like scoring yesterday were his header and the ball from Ayew, both times in front of the goal. Other days, they may well have gone in as Mateta has far outperformed my initial expectations of him which most importantly has included scoring goals.

But you are kind of saying that you only really want to see him making runs between the posts. And making it sounds like you can only score from that position.

3 near posts runs and goals that spring to mind are his goals against Norwich, Wolves this season and the flick against Brighton last season.

Goal vs Everton this season was a almost a near post run.

I actually think the near post run and shot across the keeper is what he's really good at.

 

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