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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 28 Apr 22 8.38am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Why aren't better players than Zaha fouled or supposed fouls as you think Zaha is? I genuinely thinks he makes more of any contact than the better players ie Mahrez, St Maximan, Saka, etc. They are more direct, Zaha likes to stop beat a player twice, giving them a chance to stop him.


Edited by Painter (27 Apr 2022 10.54pm)

Saint-Maxim and Saka are constantly fouled, especially the former whose end product is well below Wilf's and who constantly gives the ball away. Mahrez plays in a team that is all about one-touch football so does not put himself in the same positions as Wilf. Zaha often has to hold the ball to allow time for other players to get up the pitch, or he has to do it alone, similar to Saint-Maxim who is constantly fouled. In fact if you look at teams outside the top four if they have a standout winger/forward you will see they are right up there for most fouls on them, such as Sarr, Maddison, Saint-Maxim, etc. It's cynical but as Vieira alluded to, it's part of the game. Do you play nice and lose, or turn to the darker arts to swing the odds in your favour? Leeds are fighting for survival so there was no room for playing nice, however frustrating for us and the team that might have been. Same with Everton v Liverpool.

Teams know that the best way to stop Wilf is to kick him, pull him, whisper in his ear, etc. When you're at the games you see some of the off the ball stuff that goes on that isn't on camera. I think a lot of us agree that his inability to brush this off is what has held him back more than his talent. Thankfully in the last 7 or 8 games he finally seems to be containing his anger more, but Leeds really tested that. With Southampton and JWP up this weekend he could be tested again.

 

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View pompeyeagle's Profile pompeyeagle Flag Relocated to Shropshire 28 Apr 22 8.58am Send a Private Message to pompeyeagle Add pompeyeagle as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Why aren't better players than Zaha fouled or supposed fouls as you think Zaha is? I genuinely thinks he makes more of any contact than the better players ie Mahrez, St Maximan, Saka, etc. They are more direct, Zaha likes to stop beat a player twice, giving them a chance to stop him.

Edited by Painter (27 Apr 2022 10.54pm)

I was going to post the same thing myself. There are very many players in the Premier League who are far better than Zaha is and get fouled just as much but you don't see any of them carrying on the way he does. It seems like every two minutes he's sitting down on the, pitch gesticulating like a spoilt brat. He needs to get up and get on with it. It's embarrassing.

 

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View babylonjohn's Profile babylonjohn Flag St Leonards-on-Sea 28 Apr 22 12.22pm Send a Private Message to babylonjohn Add babylonjohn as a friend

Originally posted by pompeyeagle

I was going to post the same thing myself. There are very many players in the Premier League who are far better than Zaha is and get fouled just as much but you don't see any of them carrying on the way he does. It seems like every two minutes he's sitting down on the, pitch gesticulating like a spoilt brat. He needs to get up and get on with it. It's embarrassing.

So he wears his heart on his sleeve and finds it hard to accept cynical targeted fouling .... deal with it, hes our standout star player without whom we would probably still be struggling in the championship. It's not immaturity its just how he is. I find yours and others criticism Of Wilf embarrassing.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 28 Apr 22 1.18pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by babylonjohn

So he wears his heart on his sleeve and finds it hard to accept cynical targeted fouling .... deal with it, hes our standout star player without whom we would probably still be struggling in the championship. It's not immaturity its just how he is. I find yours and others criticism Of Wilf embarrassing.

Itís not a criticism is an observation, not disputing his ability, just his attitude.

 

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Originally posted by pompeyeagle

I was going to post the same thing myself. There are very many players in the Premier League who are far better than Zaha is and get fouled just as much but you don't see any of them carrying on the way he does. It seems like every two minutes he's sitting down on the, pitch gesticulating like a spoilt brat. He needs to get up and get on with it. It's embarrassing.

Actually that's b*llocks cos he is officially the most fouled player in the Prem by a country mile. If I was constantly kicked all over the park, then labelled a diver by arseh*les like Phillips I think I'd have a right to feel pissed off too!

Leeds only had one tactic all night, like they've only ever done, kick players until they can't run anymore. I for one will gladly see them go down.

Edited by indianapalace85 (28 Apr 2022 2.12pm)

 

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View DutchEagleJohan's Profile DutchEagleJohan Flag Vlissingen, Netherlands 28 Apr 22 3.44pm Send a Private Message to DutchEagleJohan Add DutchEagleJohan as a friend

Really?

Name a few then? Expand please and also name me one player who has been remotely as important to his club in the last decade then Wilf to us? I don't think there are very many of those, actually I think not a single one even comes remotely close.
Yes he sometimes has bad attitude, can be annoying to watch in his manners but without his flaws he would not have been in our shirt as long as he has nor would we have been in the PLfor a decade.
And when he is fired up and properly up for it like last Monday he just gets kicked about and cynically fouled time after time. Criticizing him for being kicked seems the embarrassing thing to me.


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I was going to post the same thing myself. There are very many players in the Premier League who are far better than Zaha is and get fouled just as much but you don't see any of them carrying on the way he does. It seems like every two minutes he's sitting down on the, pitch gesticulating like a spoilt brat. He needs to get up and get on with it. It's embarrassing.

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Originally posted by pompeyeagle

I was going to post the same thing myself. There are very many players in the Premier League who are far better than Zaha is and get fouled just as much but you don't see any of them carrying on the way he does. It seems like every two minutes he's sitting down on the, pitch gesticulating like a spoilt brat. He needs to get up and get on with it. It's embarrassing.

And there are other players who also gesticulate etc. when fouled one of which, Grealish, sold for 90 million. Yes, Wilf gets upset quite often but I really think he deserves better from referees and probably would be protected more if he played for a bigger club.

 

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Spends too much time running with the ball - slows the attack down mostly. Grealish does the same which is why they both get fouled a lot. If they dont like it they should play two touch or one touch football. It is no coincidence that Pep does not play Grealish that much.

 

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Originally posted by Gribbo

Spends too much time running with the ball - slows the attack down mostly. Grealish does the same which is why they both get fouled a lot. If they dont like it they should play two touch or one touch football. It is no coincidence that Pep does not play Grealish that much.

This.
It's well documented that a player touches the ball for only around 120 seconds during a game. Zaha likes to be an exception and often overplays the situation, hence he gets caught with the ball.

 

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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

This.
It's well documented that a player touches the ball for only around 120 seconds during a game. Zaha likes to be an exception and often overplays the situation, hence he gets caught with the ball.

It would help if our strikers actually ran towards the box as soon as wilf gets the ball. Every other time he makes it to the byline. JPM seems to read this better than the others.

 

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I agree; just a shame that on Monday night his touch seemed a bit off - one ended high in the Holmesdale and the other two first half chances would have gone in on another day. That said, he certainly puts in the effort and makes himself a nuisance to defenders,

 

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Didn't want to start a new thread but did otherS see that thug Ayling get his just deserts yesterday. A straight red for a studs up tackle. KARMA.

 


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