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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 24 May 22 7.20am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud


Sorry to hear that Robdave, yes, we are all hypocrites as i have stated before, the middle ground should be where its at.

Well said CP. If we dismiss the outliers on here, the ideologues and the holier than thou , the vast majority on here are sensible and willing to discuss things in a reasonable manner.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 24 May 22 9.10am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Well said CP. If we dismiss the outliers on here, the ideologues and the holier than thou , the vast majority on here are sensible and willing to discuss things in a reasonable manner.

But SW19 CPFC posting to himself would be no fun!

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 24 May 22 10.13am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

The whole COVID and law makers turn law breakers 'scandal' for me is somewhat similar to what we see going on at football grounds recently.

The fact is if you are to introduce laws and not enforce them or even abide by them yourselves, on any meaningful scale, then you are inevitably vulnerable to massive scrutiny and criticism and the harder the laws will become to enforce. For me personally, it equates to 'Why shouldn't I be allowed to have a small party or what not, or storm a pitch and tell Lampard what a w***er he is - they did.'. I of course have not nor intend to do either of these things but can see the stream of thought.

To be quite blunt, I couldn't care less if either Boris or Kier had a brewski somewhere but that does not balance well with people not being able to visit dying loved ones, having small Xmas gatherings etc etc.

Does still bemuse me some of the public debates on who did what? If there's any genuine belief that anybody with a smidgeon of power in government took seriously what they were preaching to the letter, for the entirety of the ordeal. I'd consider that naive at best.

I still remain rigid in my opinion that neither Boris nor Kier represent myself, Joe, Fred or Harry down my street. They are two sides of the same coin for me, jumped up tw@ts slinging mud at each other whilst the average bloke gets too caught up in it not noticing the correct course of action is to point a finger and say, actually, you know what, they can both f**k off, in fact, they can all f**k off!

Politics has become extraordinarily Victorian once more, the actually privileged battling it out to see whom can 'win over' the masses. Neither side have any true, honest representation in terms of ideology or leadership. 'Bunch of c***s as the Millwall side of my family would no doubt succinctly, albeit simply, put it. Come to think of it most the Palace fans would too.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 May 22 10.19am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

It's time for the media and the politicians to move on. We get it Boris broke the rules Kier may have done as well but can we focus on the real world issues please.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 24 May 22 10.21am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

The whole COVID and law makers turn law breakers 'scandal' for me is somewhat similar to what we see going on at football grounds recently.

The fact is if you are to introduce laws and not enforce them or even abide by them yourselves, on any meaningful scale, then you are inevitably vulnerable to massive scrutiny and criticism and the harder the laws will become to enforce. For me personally, it equates to 'Why shouldn't I be allowed to have a small party or what not, or storm a pitch and tell Lampard what a w***er he is - they did.'. I of course have not nor intend to do either of these things but can see the stream of thought.

To be quite blunt, I couldn't care less if either Boris or Kier had a brewski somewhere but that does not balance well with people not being able to visit dying loved ones, having small Xmas gatherings etc etc.

Does still bemuse me some of the public debates on who did what? If there's any genuine belief that anybody with a smidgeon of power in government took seriously what they were preaching to the letter, for the entirety of the ordeal. I'd consider that naive at best.

I still remain rigid in my opinion that neither Boris nor Kier represent myself, Joe, Fred or Harry down my street. They are two sides of the same coin for me, jumped up tw@ts slinging mud at each other whilst the average bloke gets too caught up in it not noticing the correct course of action is to point a finger and say, actually, you know what, they can both f**k off, in fact, they can all f**k off!

Politics has become extraordinarily Victorian once more, the actually privileged battling it out to see whom can 'win over' the masses. Neither side have any true, honest representation in terms of ideology or leadership. 'Bunch of c***s as the Millwall side of my family would no doubt succinctly, albeit simply, put it. Come to think of it most the Palace fans would too.

A lot of truth to this really, in that they're all very detached from the day to day concerns and struggles of the average Brit. Anyone too 'down to earth' is filtered out long before they can get too close to power, I've always suspected that. It's no surprise that Eton and the like are politician factories for the well connected. Many at the top in politics are no doubt corrupt or compromised to varying degrees too and therefore useful to others. Actual integrity is kryptonite.

With overreaching laws, it's win-win for those in power, as they can selectively apply rules to whoever they please, while dialling down the importance of it once they themselves are caught out. It all becomes 'lessons will be learned' and so on once the spotlight is on them..

Edited by BlueJay (24 May 2022 10.22am)

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 24 May 22 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Read something last night in a book about the aftermath of WW2 in Germany. One of the more heated debates was about the people who chose to leave Germany and those who decided to remain, with the phrase used 'internal migration' (probably sounds better and conveys more nuance in the German original as the book is a translation) to describe Germans who had despised what Hitler and the NSADP were doing to Germany but chose to remain anyway because it was their homeland. They did not do anything to actively resist but instead just withdrew as much as possible into their own worlds, having as little to do as possible with any kind of officialdom.

Not sure how I feel about it, and I am sure you could make all kinds of counter-arguments given the time period and the governing regime, but the notion of an 'internal migration' in this UK of 2022 makes a lot of sense to me.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 24 May 22 3.15pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Well said CP. If we dismiss the outliers on here, the ideologues and the holier than thou , the vast majority on here are sensible and willing to discuss things in a reasonable manner.

Indeed HK, I thank you!

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 24 May 22 3.26pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

It's time for the media and the politicians to move on. We get it Boris broke the rules Kier may have done as well but can we focus on the real world issues please.

Can"t we sack them both- then "just move on"?Have a cabinet clear out- anyone caught backing bungle in the past two years gone- move the good people within the CONservative party up to the front line, and put Angie Raynor,(see what i did there)?, at the helm of the opposition, and get back to normal politics? The CONS leading the country- but with integrity, (well as near as, you screw up-you resign!), or get fired, and a proper working class leader of the oppo to hold you to account, and an independent all party inquiry as to where the 47 thousand million ppe money went and prosecutions following to anybody involved, including changing your business from dog food canning to dog food and ppe overnight, surely even the insurance of said warehouse would need time to renegotiate the risk of miixing all that ppe with health and safety rules in a canning plant?

 

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London Mayor Sadiq Khan has asked the Met Police for a "detailed explanation" of how it decided who to fine during its investigation into No 10 parties.

The mayor's spokesperson said Mr Khan was concerned a "lack of clarity" was eroding "trust" in the police.

Whether you like Khan or not this is the right thing to do.

Public confidence in the Met is disappearing off the edge.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 May 22 4.57pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Insiders who attended events at Downing Street during lockdown have told the BBC how staff crowded together and sat on each other's laps and how party debris was left out overnight.

They describe arriving for work the morning after a get-together to find bottles lying around parts of the building, bins overflowing with rubbish and empties left on the table.

They also tell of events with dozens of staff crowded together, and parties going so late that, on occasion, some ended up staying in Downing Street all night.

Amazing stuff from the tory parallel universe.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

London Mayor Sadiq Khan has asked the Met Police for a "detailed explanation" of how it decided who to fine during its investigation into No 10 parties.

The mayor's spokesperson said Mr Khan was concerned a "lack of clarity" was eroding "trust" in the police.

Whether you like Khan or not this is the right thing to do.

Public confidence in the Met is disappearing off the edge.

Or perhaps he could concentrate on serious crime? London up with US and South African cities on violent crime but the police are to continuously investigate parties.

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 24 May 22 6.24pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

A lot of truth to this really, in that they're all very detached from the day to day concerns and struggles of the average Brit. Anyone too 'down to earth' is filtered out long before they can get too close to power, I've always suspected that. It's no surprise that Eton and the like are politician factories for the well connected. Many at the top in politics are no doubt corrupt or compromised to varying degrees too and therefore useful to others. Actual integrity is kryptonite.

With overreaching laws, it's win-win for those in power, as they can selectively apply rules to whoever they please, while dialling down the importance of it once they themselves are caught out. It all becomes 'lessons will be learned' and so on once the spotlight is on them..

Edited by BlueJay (24 May 2022 10.22am)


"Lessons will be learned "and "I have paid the stolen cash back"- nothing to see here- move on!

 

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