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The groover Flag Danbury 27 Jul 23 5.54pm Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

I've been doing some number crunching re. Solar panels.

I worked out that having enough panels to give a decent number of hours in the winter months would mean there being a massive excess from spring to autumn.

I came to the conclusion that enough panels to give enough electricity during spring to autumn and batteries that would provide cover for those winter months would be the best way to go.

I was advised that Octopuss energy are offering overnight rates at 10p per unit for 4 hours. Which is enough to charge two 5KW batteries. Thus during those months with less sun you can charge the batteries overnight at a good rate from the grid and use them during the day.

I've installed underfloor electric heating in two rooms and now have 3 electric rads and rest are boiler rads.

I believe this will mean using only overnight rates for 90% of the time. It will also reduce my gas usage as the electric underfloor heating and electric rads will reduce the need for the boiler.

In terms of heat pumps, unless the property is a new build the required modifications will make them uneconomical. Plus as has been said unless they are the type that sources heat from below ground, they don't work under 4 degrees c.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 27 Jul 23 10.13pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

I've been doing some number crunching re. Solar panels.

I worked out that having enough panels to give a decent number of hours in the winter months would mean there being a massive excess from spring to autumn.

I came to the conclusion that enough panels to give enough electricity during spring to autumn and batteries that would provide cover for those winter months would be the best way to go.

I was advised that Octopuss energy are offering overnight rates at 10p per unit for 4 hours. Which is enough to charge two 5KW batteries. Thus during those months with less sun you can charge the batteries overnight at a good rate from the grid and use them during the day.

I've installed underfloor electric heating in two rooms and now have 3 electric rads and rest are boiler rads.

I believe this will mean using only overnight rates for 90% of the time. It will also reduce my gas usage as the electric underfloor heating and electric rads will reduce the need for the boiler.

In terms of heat pumps, unless the property is a new build the required modifications will make them uneconomical. Plus as has been said unless they are the type that sources heat from below ground, they don't work under 4 degrees c.

Finally some sense

Battery storage is going to be massively important as part of the energy mix yes. Your example is a good one.

Isn’t the octopus cheaper 4 hour rate for EVs only though? Thought you had to prove you had an EV and a 7kw charger to get it.

Heat pumps spot on. This is why they will only make sense for new builds and or legacy properties that are sufficiently insulated.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 27 Jul 23 10.32pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Finally some sense

Battery storage is going to be massively important as part of the energy mix yes. Your example is a good one.

Isn’t the octopus cheaper 4 hour rate for EVs only though? Thought you had to prove you had an EV and a 7kw charger to get it.

Heat pumps spot on. This is why they will only make sense for new builds and or legacy properties that are sufficiently insulated.

Legacy properties are still not insulated enough and digging up a floor for underfloor heating is not at all practical. Your heating will be max 50*c. Have you got the space for k4 rads or 1.5 x longer than the current ones you have. ( you as in anyone btw) also replacing all of your pipework. If hmg is sooo worried why not make it law or fit all this for free, and give EV cars for free and upgrade our power supply for free and and and….

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 27 Jul 23 11.43pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Legacy properties are still not insulated enough and digging up a floor for underfloor heating is not at all practical. Your heating will be max 50*c. Have you got the space for k4 rads or 1.5 x longer than the current ones you have. ( you as in anyone btw) also replacing all of your pipework. If hmg is sooo worried why not make it law or fit all this for free, and give EV cars for free and upgrade our power supply for free and and and….

Jesus wept. How drunk are you exactly?

Let me repeat what I said for you

‘Legacy properties that are sufficiently insulated’

ie those that have been renovated to the appropriate standard (of which there are plenty), or newer properties in the 10-20 years old range (of which there are plenty) that also conform to the standard.

Also your point regarding underfloor being impractical only applies if you are not already renovating and extending a property. Otherwise it’s a no brainer. More throwaway dross

As already stated, banning gas boilers is for the birds. Everyone else who can’t move to heat pumps will remain on gas (or convert to electric at the point of energy becoming cheaper towards the end of the transition) for many many years to come, the remainder will be upgraded or renovated up to standard over time.

It helps to read the context of a thread before posting.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 28 Jul 23 5.41am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Jesus wept. How drunk are you exactly?

Let me repeat what I said for you

‘Legacy properties that are sufficiently insulated’

ie those that have been renovated to the appropriate standard (of which there are plenty), or newer properties in the 10-20 years old range (of which there are plenty) that also conform to the standard.

Also your point regarding underfloor being impractical only applies if you are not already renovating and extending a property. Otherwise it’s a no brainer. More throwaway dross

As already stated, banning gas boilers is for the birds. Everyone else who can’t move to heat pumps will remain on gas (or convert to electric at the point of energy becoming cheaper towards the end of the transition) for many many years to come, the remainder will be upgraded or renovated up to standard over time.

It helps to read the context of a thread before posting.

So giving the actual figures of heat pumps and their operation isn’t worth mentioning then. Are you personally allowing gas boilers to stay then as the SNP didn’t get the memo !

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 28 Jul 23 11.02pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Europe seems plagued with an outbreak of arsonists, is that due to carbon emissions affecting behaviour? Same problem not prevalent in India or China.

 


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Wilesy01 Flag Bristol 28 Jul 23 11.17pm Send a Private Message to Wilesy01 Add Wilesy01 as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Europe seems plagued with an outbreak of arsonists, is that due to carbon emissions affecting behaviour? Same problem not prevalent in India or China.

And the extraordinarily hot and dry weather conditions don't exacerbate arson to disastrous consequences?

Plenty of arsonists in the UK but the fires don't spread as it's been pissing it down all month.

What an odd comment.

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 28 Jul 23 11.43pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

The proximate cause of many of the fires is arson is my point.

The main sources of carbon emissions are China, India and the USA.

The Yosemite park fire was caused by a recently convicted arsonist so in that case a main emitter did have a serious arson.

My post was not meant to be taken verbatim but as an observation on the difference between climatic effect facts and climatic effect fiction.

Of course hot and dry conditions effect the spread of fire as they have done since the first fire .

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 29 Jul 23 5.43am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wilesy01

And the extraordinarily hot and dry weather conditions don't exacerbate arson to disastrous consequences?

Plenty of arsonists in the UK but the fires don't spread as it's been pissing it down all month.

What an odd comment.

They arnt that extraordinarily hot if you look back more than five minutes. 50 years ago Europe had a hotter, longer period of weather with less fires. Just maybe nature doesn’t always start them !

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 29 Jul 23 8.57am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Hairy Scottish Historian Neil Oliver. He seems to think the whole 'Climate Emergency' is little more than a blatant Power-grab from the Elites.
However, like any good academic.....he is willing to listen to stop shrieking and to listen to both sides of the argument.

And most of the time his arguments are well couched in History.

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Wilesy01 Flag Bristol 29 Jul 23 9.24am Send a Private Message to Wilesy01 Add Wilesy01 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

They arnt that extraordinarily hot if you look back more than five minutes. 50 years ago Europe had a hotter, longer period of weather with less fires. Just maybe nature doesn’t always start them !

Did you miss the news that this July has been the hottest on record?

Or the records broken in Europe for consecutive days over 40 degrees? Or that these records are being consistently broken almost year on year?

Arson greatly exacerbates the consequences of climate change. I can't quite understand people who are trying to use it to suggest there is no issue in the first place.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 29 Jul 23 11.01am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Did you miss the news that this July has been the hottest on record?

Or the records broken in Europe for consecutive days over 40 degrees? Or that these records are being consistently broken almost year on year?
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Dinosaurs once wandered lush tropical lands that are now a frozen tundra. Climate change is a normal part of History.

The Netherlands of Peter Bruegal paintings is a frozen World compared to the Netherlands of today. The Amstel & the Thames used to freeze over.

We can all agree the Climate is changing. We cannot agree on it being the end of the World.

 


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