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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 24 10.48pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

By closing down steel production and losing thousands of jobs then importing what we need from India and China thus adding transportation pollution.

Doesn't make a lot of sense does it?

I suspect either the pollution will reverse this in future or, more likely, non polluting fuels will be found. Bring back the saling boats!!!

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jan 24 8.38am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Some of it is for sure. It takes many lifetimes to materialise and then reverse. Individually we wouldn’t notice. The necessary adjustments happen naturally.

What we are witnessing is man made climate change, which started after the Industrial Revolution and has gathered pace ever since. It’s much faster. Unless we get control of it, slow the rise and then reverse it, the future for the next generations will be dire.

We have no options. We must act.

We?

We contribute a miniscule amount of pollution globally.

You have to wonder just how much impact any sort of draconian clampdown on pollutants would really have on natural processes.

Scientists seem very keen to tell us how hot we will make the Earth but don't seem so enthuasiastic about predicting what will happen if we reduce our contribution.

The truth is that we are doomed to experience the impact of a rapidly increasingly population and developing countries. We are also going to experience the certainty of natural climate change.

Personally, I'll be surprised if that is the biggest of our problems.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Jan 2024 8.39am)

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 29 Jan 24 9.23am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Climate change action is stuffed by human politics. The UK could invest £millions in a green steel furnace, only to have prices massively undercut by coal-rich China, shipping steel to us for a quarter of the cost.
The same applies to almost every industry.

I did wonder if the throwing of paint at the Mona Lisa may have been linked to it being painted in oils ?

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Jan 24 9.26am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Climate change action is stuffed by human politics. The UK could invest £millions in a green steel furnace, only to have prices massively undercut by coal-rich China, shipping steel to us for a quarter of the cost.
The same applies to almost every industry.

I did wonder if the throwing of paint at the Mona Lisa may have been linked to it being painted in oils ?

That's linked more so with individuals not getting enough attention for their personalities and achievements in life.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Jan 24 9.30am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We?

We contribute a miniscule amount of pollution globally.

You have to wonder just how much impact any sort of draconian clampdown on pollutants would really have on natural processes.

Scientists seem very keen to tell us how hot we will make the Earth but don't seem so enthuasiastic about predicting what will happen if we reduce our contribution.

The truth is that we are doomed to experience the impact of a rapidly increasingly population and developing countries. We are also going to experience the certainty of natural climate change.

Personally, I'll be surprised if that is the biggest of our problems.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Jan 2024 8.39am)

By we I mean the whole of humanity. Not just those living on this little island.

Science has predicted both the consequences of not responding and the benefits of doing so, but always with margins of error.

Yes, an increasing population and developing countries are going to happen although it seems the first will flatten in 50 years if trends continue. Any contribution from natural climate change, whether it increases or moderates the warming, will be far too slow to make any appreciable difference. It won’t be noticeable.

What the biggest problem is, is hardly worth debating. They both feed off each other and both need managing. So both are important.

What we as voters need to do is ensure that those we choose to represent us do not allow commercial interests to dominate the need for collective action. The UN and the WEF are doing a steadfast job in trying to strengthen resolve and coordinate action whilst parts of the fossil fuel industries are resisting.

 


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The Dolphin Flag 29 Jan 24 9.31am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

The UK is doing pretty well compared to the a lot of the rest of the world.
I suggest that all these melodramatic luvvies/spoilt brats/t***s, go an protest in countries where it does matter.
This Country - which is pretty much bust anyway - will go completely broke because of this nonsense.
Stop China - oh no, we can't do that - because they are mining and producing the majority of the worlds batteries and flying/shipping them around the globe for useless electric vehicles.
That is just one tiny example of the ironic and no joined up thinking nonsense of a woke world that we live in today.

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 29 Jan 24 9.39am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We?

We contribute a miniscule amount of pollution globally.

You have to wonder just how much impact any sort of draconian clampdown on pollutants would really have on natural processes.

Scientists seem very keen to tell us how hot we will make the Earth but don't seem so enthuasiastic about predicting what will happen if we reduce our contribution.

The truth is that we are doomed to experience the impact of a rapidly increasingly population and developing countries. We are also going to experience the certainty of natural climate change.

Personally, I'll be surprised if that is the biggest of our problems.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Jan 2024 8.39am)

Only sub Saharan Africa has the stereotype big families and uncontrollable population now. The actual demographic issue is two fold. Living longer; and increased affluence.

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 29 Jan 24 9.44am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

The UK is doing pretty well compared to the a lot of the rest of the world.
I suggest that all these melodramatic luvvies/spoilt brats/t***s, go an protest in countries where it does matter.
This Country - which is pretty much bust anyway - will go completely broke because of this nonsense.
Stop China - oh no, we can't do that - because they are mining and producing the majority of the worlds batteries and flying/shipping them around the globe for useless electric vehicles.
That is just one tiny example of the ironic and no joined up thinking nonsense of a woke world that we live in today.

There is a lot in this post, but the comments about the nature of activists could be seen as ironic in decades to come when folk are living the consequence of smoke and mirrors green washing which achieves next to nothing. people might think that people attacked them for being unwashed irritants, but actually they were right and should have been listened to more closely.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jan 24 10.33am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

By we I mean the whole of humanity. Not just those living on this little island.

Science has predicted both the consequences of not responding and the benefits of doing so, but always with margins of error.

Yes, an increasing population and developing countries are going to happen although it seems the first will flatten in 50 years if trends continue. Any contribution from natural climate change, whether it increases or moderates the warming, will be far too slow to make any appreciable difference. It won’t be noticeable.

What the biggest problem is, is hardly worth debating. They both feed off each other and both need managing. So both are important.

What we as voters need to do is ensure that those we choose to represent us do not allow commercial interests to dominate the need for collective action. The UN and the WEF are doing a steadfast job in trying to strengthen resolve and coordinate action whilst parts of the fossil fuel industries are resisting.

One can debate the extent or rate of man made global warming but we cannot avoid the fact that the world will get warmer anyway.

Humans have experienced a brief moment of time in terms of climate and one that has allowed us to evolve and spread across much of the world. This period will inevitably change and make life more difficult. Be it hot temperatures or mile high glaciers, we are in for a rough ride, if we survive long enough to see it.
I don't say we shouldn't try to reduce air pollution but we must be realistic about what the future holds. We could also focus on more immediate problems like cleaning up our oceans and allowing sea life to recover by reducing the currently insane amount of fishing. The consequences of destroying the ocean ecosystem will be catastrophic all to quickly.

 

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mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 29 Jan 24 10.37am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Only sub Saharan Africa has the stereotype big families and uncontrollable population now. The actual demographic issue is two fold. Living longer; and increased affluence.

With the growth of veganism it's not just increased affluence

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jan 24 10.51am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Only sub Saharan Africa has the stereotype big families and uncontrollable population now. The actual demographic issue is two fold. Living longer; and increased affluence.

Birth rate has fallen globally but that won't stop a very rapid increase in global population before a potential plateau.

There will be extreme pressure on resources in the coming decades.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Jan 24 11.24am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I'll change my habits when I see politicians and activist celebrities change theirs.

 


One more point

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