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Originally posted by steeleye20

The report says the influence of private schools in developing cricketers and the lack of cricket in state schools is partly to blame for "elitism and class-based discrimination".

I do recognise that, experienced the class system myself, and in my state school we didn't even have a pitch, but racism still, I am a little surprised.


Conversely, football players get a lot more and are heavily over-represented by players from state schools. I don't see how it's the fault of all cricket that public schools play cricket and state schools don't.
As for black cricket in England, how about that the West Indies are sh1t these days? Main reason, they play other sports in the US. Any chance that's stopped providing black role models/examples. It's such a shame when they were so great.
Plus, I would have thought Asian participation is through the roof. That can't be celebrated? How come none then declare for England?
This works both ways - there is more I could say but what's the point


 


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England XI: Crawley, Duckett, Pope, Root, Brook, Stokes, Bairstow, Broad, Robinson, Tongue, Anderson. Team For 2nd Test starting tomorrow.

 

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I've been banging on about class in sport for years - rugby and cricket are 'u', football is 'non-U'. We didn't win the men's singles at Wimbledon for 76 years - while players had to bow to the royal box at centre court - not a coincidence. Sam Burgess is one of many rugby league players to experience snobbery when going to rugby union - it's this public school thing we've got here, edification is only for an elite, breeding and all that, it's why we never win the world cup and have no manufacturing industry - other countries have clever people we've got posh people - massive oversimplification but the snobbery comes with small-mindedness which does not make for success.

And we've got a young quicky in instead of Rehan - maybe later in the series, can see him at the Oval.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

The report says the influence of private schools in developing cricketers and the lack of cricket in state schools is partly to blame for "elitism and class-based discrimination".

I do recognise that, experienced the class system myself, and in my state school we didn't even have a pitch, but racism still, I am a little surprised.


This is just another way that for minorities and jealous types to undermine our institutions.

Do we really expect a system where some don't rise to the top?

Only a communist would, and we all know how communism works out.

We have a state education system which promotes the idea from the primary level that winning isn't important and no one loses.

Is it any wonder that we don't produce enough good sportsmen from there?


Why are we so preoccupied with the interests of minorities and seemingly disinterested in encouraging the majority of White British kids?

It seems that someone only has to suggest racism has occurred, and we just believe it without question. The desire to appear virtuous and retain sponsorship has completely distorted the reality. Hence, we have this drumhead justice for anyone who even looks at someone in a funny way.

This is multicultural, liberal Britain.


 

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Thar was multicoloured liberal amounts of cr*p

 

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Originally posted by ex hibitionist

Thar was multicoloured liberal amounts of cr*p

Did you borrow that from Nietzsche?

Here is another one.

The most senile thing ever thought about man is contained in the celebrated saying 'the ego is always hateful'; the most childish is the even more celebrated 'love thy neighbour as thyself'. - In the former, knowledge of human nature has ceased, in the latter it has not yet even begun.

Friedrich Nietzsche

 

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Originally posted by ex hibitionist

And we've got a young quicky in instead of Rehan - maybe later in the series, can see him at the Oval.

I have no idea why Rehan was called up in the first place as he has only taken a handful of wickets this season anyway

 

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It's the Aussies versus Root.

In addition to the batting, he is now the spin attack as well!

And his ever-reliable slip catching.

Really only see the Ashes going one way.

Come on lads, step up.


 

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Originally posted by ex hibitionist

I've been banging on about class in sport for years - rugby and cricket are 'u', football is 'non-U'. We didn't win the men's singles at Wimbledon for 76 years - while players had to bow to the royal box at centre court - not a coincidence. Sam Burgess is one of many rugby league players to experience snobbery when going to rugby union - it's this public school thing we've got here, edification is only for an elite, breeding and all that, it's why we never win the world cup and have no manufacturing industry - other countries have clever people we've got posh people - massive oversimplification but the snobbery comes with small-mindedness which does not make for success.

And we've got a young quicky in instead of Rehan - maybe later in the series, can see him at the Oval.

It's a bit of an oversimplification as England have won both the Cricket and Rugby World Cups. In Rugby, for instance, egalitarian France have never won it - in fact, England are the only northern hemisphere side to have ever won the rugby.
As for cricket, I went to school in Australia after we emigrated. I used to play a bit in England for a village side. In Australia they will have a day and a half of cricket in school. Imagine that in England.
I'm not seeing how state schools and what they do are entirely the fault of sport's governing bodies.
For instance, we could wonder why young black people don't play cricket - then look at the West Indies. They used to be great, now average at best. Their players are often poached by US sports now. In the UK immigration is no longer from the Caribbean, it's from Africa. Their role models are footballers, not Malcolm Marshall or Clive Lloyd.
Yet, Asian participation is massive, however, none seem to come through for England. Is that simply racism or do many still actually identify with and support India and pakistan? That's a problem with integration, not racism. Look at Edgbaston when there's a test between England and India. It's quite an eye opener.
This report is facile and pointless: it won't improve the game. Participation is required in order to improve, but football is still the obvious game kids will play. You'd need government to have cricket Fridays at schools or something. I suspect rugby has a safety issue and schools are loathe to play the full game too. I had a bit of a dilemma when my kid played rugby over the safety. I didn't mind as much as my missus - who was totally against it.

 


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Cricket has to find a way of developing and incorporating the Afro Carribean and Asian players in the community. I believe one season their were only 2 pro Afro carribean cricketers qualified to play for England in English cricket and that was West Indian born Jofra Archer and Chris Jordan. Its worth noting when you look at the staff stewarding or working in hospitality at our crciket grounds on zero hour contracts its the BAME community that fills almost all these roles. I think there has to be a levelling up of the county teams, I'm not sure how many squads of internationals Surrey have but it looks like they could win the county championship again and the T20 aswell with a totally different team of players. The Hundred seems to strengthen those counties with a Test ground, and leave the likes of Sussex, Northants and Derby with nothing, no players participating and those counties with no matches in August.
Oval Invincibles will fill the Oval 6 days in August with all that revenue, how many Surrey players will have their salaries topped up with pots of cash from the Hundred? in a few years there will be such a disparity between the 1st and 2nd division county teams, it couild be like comparing the Premier League to the Championship.
Ironically its the teams like Warwickshire, Yorkshire, Surrey who should be exploiting areas like Birmingham, Bradford and South London for those potential new young black and asian players, but they have a squad jamp packed with internationals.
Andrew Strauss brought in his report to paper over the cracks and the County teams drummed him out of his position. This new report will inevitably go the same way sadly.
I was at the Oval for the Test Championship, India v Australia and it was 70-80% India supporters, imagine them getting on the side of a young asian kid in the England side

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Originally posted by cacabolsa

Cricket has to find a way of developing and incorporating the Afro Carribean and Asian players in the community. I believe one season their were only 2 pro Afro carribean cricketers qualified to play for England in English cricket and that was West Indian born Jofra Archer and Chris Jordan. Its worth noting when you look at the staff stewarding or working in hospitality at our crciket grounds on zero hour contracts its the BAME community that fills almost all these roles. I think there has to be a levelling up of the county teams, I'm not sure how many squads of internationals Surrey have but it looks like they could win the county championship again and the T20 aswell with a totally different team of players. The Hundred seems to strengthen those counties with a Test ground, and leave the likes of Sussex, Northants and Derby with nothing, no players participating and those counties with no matches in August.
Oval Invincibles will fill the Oval 6 days in August with all that revenue, how many Surrey players will have their salaries topped up with pots of cash from the Hundred? in a few years there will be such a disparity between the 1st and 2nd division county teams, it couild be like comparing the Premier League to the Championship.
Ironically its the teams like Warwickshire, Yorkshire, Surrey who should be exploiting areas like Birmingham, Bradford and South London for those potential new young black and asian players, but they have a squad jamp packed with internationals.
Andrew Strauss brought in his report to paper over the cracks and the County teams drummed him out of his position. This new report will inevitably go the same way sadly.
I was at the Oval for the Test Championship, India v Australia and it was 70-80% India supporters, imagine them getting on the side of a young asian kid in the England side

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So why are all those 'Asians' still supporting India and pakistan? They are British aren't they?

Why doesn't England just stop playing cricket altogether and just have India(GB) and pakistan(GB)?

Then perhaps the authorities can get all the sponsorship they crave, and the majority can completely forget about a game most people only remotely care about during the World Cup and Ashes.

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC


This report is facile and pointless: it won't improve the game. Participation is required in order to improve, but football is still the obvious game kids will play. You'd need government to have cricket Fridays at schools or something.

Don't forget that many schools have sold off the ground that they used to play cricket on

 

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