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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 19 Jul 22 4.14pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

You really believe we work to better the country. We work because we need money. If you work because you need something to do then fair play but to get there you would have originally worked for money. Public sector is easy, lots of sick and virtually no chance of the sack and a good pension. People cannot moan about pay when they know that better money is out there. Public sector are just about to get a decent pay rise. I got 2% and probably will again if Iím lucky but I need to work in the private sector as the money is what I need. State workers generate no profit for hmg. Not their fault but it is a fact.

Of course I work.for money. I need to live like anyone else. I earn a decent (some would say very good) wage. But I work bloody hard for it. But all I am saying is I have chosen in return for a decent pension and work life balance to earn less than I could in the private sector. Mind you I doubt I would have been beaten up, spat at and suffered the other various levels of abuse I have because of my work had I worked in the private sector.

Maybe it's as I am getting older, a good pension means a lot more to me now than it did in my youth. I don't expect a medal (got one already,) praise or pity it's a choice I made.

Yes terms and conditions are better than a lot of private sector employers but maybe that is as a result of the public sector being one of the last bastions of unionised employment.

As for pay rises as I have said the issue is perhaps better expressed by the fact that public servants have in recent years when you look at inflation had pay cuts in real terms. Mind you so have many others so all I will say is that I think everyone should get a raise in their pay at least in line with inflation year on year or maybe we all get the we % pay rise as MP's

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 19 Jul 22 6.36pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Of course I work.for money. I need to live like anyone else. I earn a decent (some would say very good) wage. But I work bloody hard for it. But all I am saying is I have chosen in return for a decent pension and work life balance to earn less than I could in the private sector. Mind you I doubt I would have been beaten up, spat at and suffered the other various levels of abuse I have because of my work had I worked in the private sector.

Maybe it's as I am getting older, a good pension means a lot more to me now than it did in my youth. I don't expect a medal (got one already,) praise or pity it's a choice I made.

Yes terms and conditions are better than a lot of private sector employers but maybe that is as a result of the public sector being one of the last bastions of unionised employment.

As for pay rises as I have said the issue is perhaps better expressed by the fact that public servants have in recent years when you look at inflation had pay cuts in real terms. Mind you so have many others so all I will say is that I think everyone should get a raise in their pay at least in line with inflation year on year or maybe we all get the we % pay rise as MP's

The state are guaranteed a pay rise. The old below the rate of inflation is a white elephant to bash hmg. I went 3 years without a rise in the private sector. Difficult to strike when work is a bit scarce but state workers lose the days pay (apparently) private sector lose their job.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 19 Jul 22 7.22pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

5.1% up to 8.3% rises.
Tough old life working for the state. Donít forget pension contributions go up as well so the lowest rise is probably 8%.
Hmg running scared of bad press and unions.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 19 Jul 22 7.26pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

5.1% up to 8.3% rises.
Tough old life working for the state. Donít forget pension contributions go up as well so the lowest rise is probably 8%.
Hmg running scared of bad press and unions.

Where's that come from Cryst??

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 19 Jul 22 7.36pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Where's that come from Cryst??

News channels on line.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 19 Jul 22 7.42pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

"Before taking account of inflation, average total pay growth for March to May 2022 was 7.2% in the private sector and 1.5% in the public sector."

That was my main take away!

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 19 Jul 22 8.19pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

"Before taking account of inflation, average total pay growth for March to May 2022 was 7.2% in the private sector and 1.5% in the public sector."

That was my main take away!

Inflation is 9-10 %, so anything below that is a pay cut!

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 19 Jul 22 8.29pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Inflation is 9-10 %, so anything below that is a pay cut!

Yes for everyone whatís your point. Do you want your shopping to go up 10% so workers get that rise. Not that it would affect someone of your affluence but all the same

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 19 Jul 22 8.58pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Simple because some people do still believe in the importance of a strong public sector and see a value in working there. As well as a public service ethos I stayed because I saw it as giving me a better work life balance, better job security and a decent pension.

I was able to work flexibly and see my kids grow up with me as, a part of that. I know many former colleagues who left public service for the money and the bonuses who now say that loss of work life balance is the one thing they missed. To me it was priceless.

All very worthy, I'm sure, but I was merely posing a stupid rhetorical question to mirror your own stupid rhetorical question.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 19 Jul 22 9.46pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by YT

All very worthy, I'm sure, but I was merely posing a stupid rhetorical question to mirror your own stupid rhetorical question.

Oh dear

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 19 Jul 22 9.52pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by YT

All very worthy, I'm sure, but I was merely posing a stupid rhetorical question to mirror your own stupid rhetorical question.

Apologies

Clearly being a public sector wage slave in thrall to the union barons I was clearly not bright enough to spot that &#128513;

 

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