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This happens to smaller clubs the refs do not issue any statements or explain anything yet one of the big boys different story.

Mistakes can happen but those ones no excuse he should be demoted and retraining (VAR could easily see it and he is right in line)

This now means all of these types should be let go to make it fair will they nope.

The officials are a disgrace they have tech to aid now and even in the past these people was only part time now they are paid well it's a career yet the standard has dropped (excluding big teams vs small still help big friends out)

With VAR the ref should be checking everything on the screen himself not paying attention to the others and it is on him the way it should be.

They shouldn't be so protected after the game either I dont see why they cant speak to the media even if its delayed by hour.

Last thing got to stop players crowding the ref the rules was your not suppose to do that these refs need to not be players friends but put them in place also stop being card happy at times it does annoy me based of palace games other team will do handful of petty fouls then towards half time palace player does 1 yellow card other refs go card happy second half but not first for same foul.

 


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Ah well; as we are always assured every time we suffer yet another refereeing or VAR injustice..."These things even themselves out over the course of a season"

 


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Originally posted by The Dolphin

He could only ask him to look if he thought it was a red card incident.
They don't ask them to look at yellow card incidents.
Therefore he now thinks he should have asked Taylor to look to see if it was red!
It was a red because he hauled him to the ground by his hair - violent conduct.

He can ask him to look if thinks it could be a red card incident, he doesn't have to think that it is a red card incident. Or, to use Mike Dean's exact words, "to consider a possible red card". This statement from Mike Dean merely says that in cases where it could go either way it's better for the referee to make the call than the VAR.

The definition of violent conduct is:

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

Hair pulling doesn't fall into the first part any more so than a push does, so it isn't a clear red card there.

Hair pulling doesn't fall into the second part because it isn't a 'strike', in the same way that squaring up and going head to head isn't a strike and is a yellow card offence, so it isn't a clear red card there.

Neither Mike Dean nor Anthony Taylor nor anyone else from the refereeing body have said that it should have been a red card. They've merely said that it's better for the referee to make the call themselves when it could go either way. And it could have gone either way - the laws aren't clear here. If you look at the attached image, it's not as if Romero has walked up to Cucurella from behind and done it as an all out assault. Cucurella has blocked him, no intention to play the ball, and Romero grabs him at the height his arms were already at. You see this all the time with shirts in the box - unfortunately it's head height because Cucurella is that much shorter and his hair that much bigger.

"upon reflection, I should have asked Taylor to visit his pitch-side monitor to take a look for himself. The referee on field always has the final say."

Going to leave it there, nothing else to add.

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