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AJ loses by a marginal decision last night against Usyk. Most commentators thought Usyk was a worthy winner and AJ ran out of steam relatively early, except for a late surge in the 9th.
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AJ just seems to lack the tools to deal with awkward opponents, and appears to have a limited toolset which doesn't seem to include the killer instinct.
It'll be very hard for AJ to get anything out of his career now.
So Usyk has called out Fury. Surely unifying all the belts should be enough to tempt Fury out of retirement ? Fury has the skillset to defeat Usyk, it all comes down to whether he's up for it.

It won't be about money (they'll be plenty of that), as much as legacy in uniting all the belts.
Thoughts ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Aug 2022 5.22am)

 


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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

AJ loses by a marginal decision last night against Usyk. Most commentators thought Usyk was a worthy winner and AJ ran out of steam relatively early, except for a late surge in the 9th.
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AJ just seems to lack the tools to deal with awkward opponents, and appears to have a limited toolset which doesn't seem to include the killer instinct.
It'll be very hard for AJ to get anything out of his career now.
So Usyk has called out Fury. Surely unifying all the belts should be enough to tempt Fury out of retirement ? Fury has the skillset to defeat Usyk, it all comes down to whether he's up for it.

It won't be about money (they'll be plenty of that), as much as legacy in uniting all the belts.
Thoughts ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Aug 2022 5.22am)

Agree with the analysis on AJ. Shame as heís a decent bloke and was good for the division but certainly, whether itís passion or ability, I think his time has come and we move on.
I reckon Furyís in a tricky position. Usyk is a decent boxer and at the moment Fury retired unbeaten and with a solid legacy behind him. To unify is risky as it means he either retires again as unbeaten, undisputed or he retires after losing his belts and his legacy is tarnished. I reckon heíll stay retired, personally.

 

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It's good though, isn't it, that a bloke who has been serving his country in the face of an invasion was given leave to compete AND managed to win?

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Aug 22 11.24am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

I'm still wondering how one judge gave it to Joshua. He won one round, with two about even at best. It wasn't close.

Joshua has been exposed for what he always was. A bang average boxer with a big punch.
When you are up against superior boxing skills, it is hard to land that knock out punch.
Joshua has no natural talent. He is just a big athletic bloke who learned to box. He cannot be considered among the best heavy weights.

People have often wondered if the size of modern heavyweights would overcome smaller champions of the past. The answer was a little clearer after last night. You have to be big and very good to beat someone smaller and very good.

Imagine how easily Ali,Tyson,Forman,Holmes, Lewis, Frazier Holyfield and plenty of others would have beaten Joshua.

Usyk is a good boxer, but not that good.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm still wondering how one judge gave it to Joshua. He won one round, with two about even at best. It wasn't close.

Joshua has been exposed for what he always was. A bang average boxer with a big punch.
When you are up against superior boxing skills, it is hard to land that knock out punch.
Joshua has no natural talent. He is just a big athletic bloke who learned to box. He cannot be considered among the best heavy weights.

People have often wondered if the size of modern heavyweights would overcome smaller champions of the past. The answer was a little clearer after last night. You have to be big and very good to beat someone smaller and very good.

Imagine how easily Ali,Tyson,Forman,Holmes, Lewis, Frazier Holyfield and plenty of others would have beaten Joshua.

Usyk is a good boxer, but not that good.

I concur with these sentiments.

 

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Having lost 3 of his last 5 fights it's probably time to call it a day. He's nearly 33 which isn't necessarily too old to rebuild his career but is his heart really in it? He's worth more than £50m. Walk away and enjoy your life before some young up-and-comer messes you up.

 

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Letís face it...heís not good enough.. gets to a certain point and fails...brutal truth...he was way heavier and heís just not aggressive enough.....

 

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AJ is finished. You don't want a Muhammad Ali autumn of your career.

Next job for aj ? Punditry

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

AJ is finished. You don't want a Muhammad Ali autumn of your career.

Next job for aj ? Punditry

and cookery shows

there's always something out there

 


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Originally posted by Robk

Letís face it...heís not good enough.. gets to a certain point and fails...brutal truth...he was way heavier and heís just not aggressive enough.....

I think he beats most heavyweights out there, however Uysk, in terms of pure boxing skill and speed, is just better than the other heavyweights.

That said, I think AJ....once again, took the wrong tactical choices in both Uysk fights. In my view he had to close the distance and fight a 6 round fight to knock the guy out. He had the size and power advantage but decided to box both times.

The results of a boxing match with Uysk is only going one way.

It will be interesting to see if Fury takes up the challenge.....it is only a few days before the WBC force him to make that decision on his belt.....that will be the real deal on whether this retirement is serious or not.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm still wondering how one judge gave it to Joshua. He won one round, with two about even at best. It wasn't close.

Joshua has been exposed for what he always was. A bang average boxer with a big punch.
When you are up against superior boxing skills, it is hard to land that knock out punch.
Joshua has no natural talent. He is just a big athletic bloke who learned to box. He cannot be considered among the best heavy weights.

People have often wondered if the size of modern heavyweights would overcome smaller champions of the past. The answer was a little clearer after last night. You have to be big and very good to beat someone smaller and very good.

Imagine how easily Ali,Tyson,Forman,Holmes, Lewis, Frazier Holyfield and plenty of others would have beaten Joshua.

Usyk is a good boxer, but not that good.

Joe Lewis?

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

AJ is finished. You don't want a Muhammad Ali autumn of your career.

Next job for aj ? Punditry

Why does he need a job? He's got £millions, and good luck to him.

 


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